Carr gets advice on public transport bag searches
No More War and More Civil Liberties | 25.07.2005 20:30 | Anti-militarism | Health | World
Yeah just like everyone else and that is: ensuring opposition to pre-emptive, illegal and degrading wars and holding all war criminals accountable for their war crimes against humanity that is, unless you want to continue to give up more of what's left of your civil liberties and live in a war-zone.
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AUSTRALIA: The New South Wales premier says he is prepared to consider changing the law to allow random searches of commuter's bags on the public transport system.
bob carr says he has sought advice from counter-terrorism police and public transport agencies.
But he needn't have bothered because the cause of the terror is more likely than not, 'Australia's deadly foreign policy', in a war-zone.
At the moment, searches can be conducted if police have a reasonable suspicion that a person poses a threat.
But carr says under the changes he is seeking advice on, the law would allow random searches of people's bags.
But that doesn't work after the bombs have exploded, in a war-zone.
He has acknowledged concern about breaching civil liberties, but says the threat is real, and cannot be dismissed.
Because he knows that civil liberties don't work, in a war-zone.
"I would think that people would agree with the proposition that your civil liberty not to have your bag searched is outweighed by my right not to be blown up," carr said.
"I think that's a reasonable proposition."
True! Just ask any Iraqi or Afghan citizen, in a war-zone!
State Slayer john brogden says sniffer dogs should be used to conduct random bag checks.
But in a war-zone all they'll be finding is random body parts.
"These dogs are... extremely highly trained and extremely professionally trained to get an outcome, and that is that they can sniff what they are looking for," he said.
Yeah, be pretty good with dead body parts, in a war-zone?
"In this case, they'd be able to find a bomb and sniff it amongst a large crowd and be able, very effectively, to weed out the person who's carrying a bomb."
But that doesn't work after the bombs go off, and all they'll be weeding out is body parts, in a war-zone.
The Slayer's police spokesman, mike gallacher, another (well paid loser) says using dogs may be more effective.
"You think about it, you've got a packed commuter train - how effective will it be?" he said.
"Half a dozen police boarding the train, starting to search bags, getting through very, very slowly.
"Whereas a dog can quietly move through the system. Not only does it smell bags but it can smell people as well, and they don't have to be jumping all over you like the pet in the back yard.
"They do it very, very discreetly and I think the public would prefer to see that option."
Really? Well I'll never agree to any of it. Who owns the problem? The war criminal HoWARd owns the problem yet he wants the community to endure it, for as long as someone wants him to and he hasn't even owned up to his shoot to kill policy yet!
In a blown up packed commuter train it's easy to smell blood and body parts as well? And it wouldn't matter how discrete you were to the dead all you'll need is body bags not sniffer dogs.
Meanwhile carr says he will hold talks with Islamic leaders later this week on the role they must play in identifying extremists among them.
But I can name a few that are 'not' among them, like, john hoWARd and his war criminal mates, that would be a good place to start weeding them out.
carr says the state's Muslim community should not be judged by the comments of extremists he calls "a telephone box minority".
Is that like a parliament house minority, in a war-zone?
He angered some Muslim leaders with comments in London last week that they should help police to weed out extremists among them.
carr says while the community should not be held responsible for extremists, they have an important role to play.
Yeah just like everyone else and that is: ensuring opposition to pre-emptive, illegal and degrading wars and holding all war criminals accountable for their war crimes against humanity that is, unless you want to continue to give up more of what's left of your civil liberties and live in a war-zone.
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http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/93867.php
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But it just underlines criminal acts by fascist governments invading other countries. How can HoWARd claim not to be complacent on the one hand but on the other exploiting the possibility by sending more guerrillas and militants off to war in Afghanistan?
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bob carr says he has sought advice from counter-terrorism police and public transport agencies.
But he needn't have bothered because the cause of the terror is more likely than not, 'Australia's deadly foreign policy', in a war-zone.
At the moment, searches can be conducted if police have a reasonable suspicion that a person poses a threat.
But carr says under the changes he is seeking advice on, the law would allow random searches of people's bags.
But that doesn't work after the bombs have exploded, in a war-zone.
He has acknowledged concern about breaching civil liberties, but says the threat is real, and cannot be dismissed.
Because he knows that civil liberties don't work, in a war-zone.
"I would think that people would agree with the proposition that your civil liberty not to have your bag searched is outweighed by my right not to be blown up," carr said.
"I think that's a reasonable proposition."
True! Just ask any Iraqi or Afghan citizen, in a war-zone!
State Slayer john brogden says sniffer dogs should be used to conduct random bag checks.
But in a war-zone all they'll be finding is random body parts.
"These dogs are... extremely highly trained and extremely professionally trained to get an outcome, and that is that they can sniff what they are looking for," he said.
Yeah, be pretty good with dead body parts, in a war-zone?
"In this case, they'd be able to find a bomb and sniff it amongst a large crowd and be able, very effectively, to weed out the person who's carrying a bomb."
But that doesn't work after the bombs go off, and all they'll be weeding out is body parts, in a war-zone.
The Slayer's police spokesman, mike gallacher, another (well paid loser) says using dogs may be more effective.
"You think about it, you've got a packed commuter train - how effective will it be?" he said.
"Half a dozen police boarding the train, starting to search bags, getting through very, very slowly.
"Whereas a dog can quietly move through the system. Not only does it smell bags but it can smell people as well, and they don't have to be jumping all over you like the pet in the back yard.
"They do it very, very discreetly and I think the public would prefer to see that option."
Really? Well I'll never agree to any of it. Who owns the problem? The war criminal HoWARd owns the problem yet he wants the community to endure it, for as long as someone wants him to and he hasn't even owned up to his shoot to kill policy yet!
In a blown up packed commuter train it's easy to smell blood and body parts as well? And it wouldn't matter how discrete you were to the dead all you'll need is body bags not sniffer dogs.
Meanwhile carr says he will hold talks with Islamic leaders later this week on the role they must play in identifying extremists among them.
But I can name a few that are 'not' among them, like, john hoWARd and his war criminal mates, that would be a good place to start weeding them out.
carr says the state's Muslim community should not be judged by the comments of extremists he calls "a telephone box minority".
Is that like a parliament house minority, in a war-zone?
He angered some Muslim leaders with comments in London last week that they should help police to weed out extremists among them.
carr says while the community should not be held responsible for extremists, they have an important role to play.
Yeah just like everyone else and that is: ensuring opposition to pre-emptive, illegal and degrading wars and holding all war criminals accountable for their war crimes against humanity that is, unless you want to continue to give up more of what's left of your civil liberties and live in a war-zone.
Related:
CCTV for illegal and degrading war
Well prevention is better than cure and if john hoWARd's proposition for one of those security measures is taking a photo with CCTV, after the terrorist has blown people up, most people would say that measure really wasn't very effective at all, especially if their own life depended on it!
More:
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/93867.php Gov't Failure Card: Community
But allegedly the bombings were UK home grown and if so, carried out by people who were obviously angry, frustrated and anguished about their own governments stance on going to wars illegally, killing, maiming and torturing innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.
More:
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8765 Suicide bombers may target PM: UK
But it just underlines criminal acts by fascist governments invading other countries. How can HoWARd claim not to be complacent on the one hand but on the other exploiting the possibility by sending more guerrillas and militants off to war in Afghanistan?
More:
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8760 Back to kill the innocent
Labor's well paid losers have backed in principle a deployment to kill what party leader Kim Beazley has called "terrorism central". But who are the terrorists? Who's going where? To do what? And what is war? TERRORISM!
More:
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8756 Crush, Kill, Destroy, Labor Wants War on Afghanistan
Who needs HoWARd when you've got an equation like that in alleged opposition? No major party in Australia opposing war? Then it is 'time' for those who love Labor including the Greens, to dump them as a political party unless you want to live in a war zone.
More:
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8701 Bringing The War Back Home
Many people in the group worked many late nights to create very polished written materials for the press packets, and packets to give to the recruiters, and we created the placards showing the large graphic images of severely injured Iraqi children being held by their anguished parents, American soldiers with missing limbs, anguished relatives of dead GI's at their funerals, and the like.
More:
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/8291 International conscience jury speaks out against 'illegal' Iraq War
We, the Jury of Conscience, hope that the specificity of these recommendations will lay the groundwork required for a world where the international institutions will be shaped and reshaped by the will of people and not fear and self-interest, where journalists and intellectuals will not remain mute, where the will of the people of the world will be central, and human security will prevail over state security and corporate profits.
More:
http://www.geocities.com/publik15/archive1/ICJAIIW.pdf
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