For a start there is no such thing as a Palestinian! All so called Palestinians are arabs who moved to Palestine after the Jewish exodus. Most only a few decades before the modern state of Israel was formed in 1948. Look at a map of the Middle East! The arabs have got loads and loads of land, while the Jews have got a tiny piece of land the size of Wales! But the arabs still don't want them to have this! The Gaza pullout is a betrayel and a capitulation to terrorism! Ariel Sharon is a traitor to the Jewish people and should resign. If he doesn't he will be kicked out of office at the next Israeli general election. Israel will always exist, there will never be a Palestinian state!

Nobody wants to hear your looney tunes Zionist rantings.

I am a diaspora Jew and a Zionist - I have lived in Israel and will support her for all my life whether I live there or not.

Millions of other Jews around the World share the same love for this wonderful country which has given so much to World.

Idiots like the one who wrote the above post do not realise that there is one thing which unites the Jews and which can never be taken away - HATIKVA!!!!!

Thank you Morgan for your well thought out views and for single handily expressing the views of millions of people you have never met

Think about this rationally - Israel retreats to the 1967 borders (ie the legally agreed borders) and the Palestinians lose almost all sympathy outside the Arab world, and probably lots of sympathy inside it too. Your chances of dying at the hands of a suicide bomber are reduced significantly.

Call this capitulation if you want to be neurotic; personally I'd call it common sense.

Sharon and the Israelis have extended the hand of peace to the Palestinians with this withdrawal, they have asked nothing in exchanged and nothing has been offered.

The only goal of Israel and its people it is to leave in peace next to a Palestinian state, but as long as the Palestinian authority does not garantee that terrorism will stop that will never happen, you simply can't give a state to someone who will use it to attack you from there.

Palestinians need to show common sense and stop terrorism, Israel is only deffending itself, maybe with a hard hand if you want, but they have no choice.

"Millions of other Jews around the World share the same love for this wonderful country which has given so much to World."

Would that be:

The bulldozing of homes with families inside them?

The only state that cheerfully admits to using torture?

A caste of extreme right wing racist "settlers" (mostly from Russia and NYC) who refer to Arabs as "dogs" and "scum" and believe they have more right to live in the Middle East than obviously ME people who have lived there for centuries - "no such thing as a Palestinian" indeed - get real!

A massive illegal arsenal of nuclear WMDs, plus the brass neck to kidnap and imprison a loyal Israeli patriot who exposes this obscenity to the world?

The habitual shooting of unarmed children/peace workers/anyone else by its horribly misnamed "Defence Force"?

The only "idiot" writing on this site is you, "Jewish and Proud". "Jewish and mindlessly loyal to an artificial state", more like.

Fanatical Zionists have more in common with the Third Reich's supporters than they have the wit to realise.

You make me sick.

Point of View /Bad guys, fall guys

By Israel Harel

Hundreds of important journalists from the top flight of the world media postponed their summer vacation and are pouring into Israel. Apparently the Holy Land has again become the most important place in the world in terms of the creation of news - otherwise the journalists would certainly not cancel their vacations. Hundreds of other journalists have already been here for many weeks and are boning up on the subject "in depth." And they are joined, of course, by the hundreds of foreign correspondents who are based permanently in Israel in numbers that exceed, in absolute - not only relative - terms the volume of foreign correspondents based in places where the world's fate is decided. The Israeli Government Press Office says that when the disengagement begins to be implemented in practice, there will be more than 6,000 foreign correspondents here.

In large parts of Africa, such as Niger, hundreds of thousands of people are dying of starvation and disease. However, as befits such an unimportant event, only a handful of journalists from around the world are there, in the form of a kind of "pool," in order to tell us about the horrors that are occurring on a continent which even God seems to want to forget. And, it turns out, humanity, too. Otherwise, humanity would send its representatives, the journalists, to report to them, to remind them incessantly, to rouse the world's conscience. The same pattern can be seen in Sudan and Algeria. There, the death of hundreds of thousands of people from starvation or AIDS is not a big story. In Sudan, the Christians are undergoing genocide, yet the Christian world, for some reason, is not displaying signs of shock. In Algeria, thousands of villagers, if not more, have been the victims of massacres for years. Yet only a few journalists visit those places, and they, too, go there only for a single assignment.

Not so in Israel, the place where the true news of the world is always created, but especially now, and where it is impossible to rely only on the foreign correspondents who are based here permanently. To cover the disengagement - that almost cosmic drama being played out between the Sons of Light, namely the good Israelis who have the best interests of the Palestinians at heart, and the Sons of Darkness, namely the settlers - reinforcements in the form of top correspondents are needed.




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Only they will be able to describe how Ariel Sharon, the leader of the Sons of Light - and the current darling of the liberal world - is standing at the head of the front to uproot the obscurantist, cruel settlers. And when this is the story, how can the suffering in Africa or North Korea or Afghanistan or Chechnya be compared to this drama, whose goal is to do justice to the Palestinians?

Because after all, the Palestinians, more than any other group of people in the world (okay, except for the Jews) interest the world media. When it comes to Palestinian suffering - and such suffering does, of course, exist - the journalistic rules of the game acquire a distinctive bias, in accordance, of course, with the journalists' professional values.

Palestinians who are delayed at an Israeli checkpoint - in order to avert a suicide bombing attack - are a far more interesting subject, and broadcast more frequently, than images of victims of massacres in Sudan or Algeria. Tear gas fired by Jewish soldiers at Palestinian demonstrators who are against the separation fence is broadcast almost every day by every important media outlet in the West, whereas executions of women in Saudi Arabia after they have been accused of adultery (generally without trial), or cutting off limbs of people accused of theft, is not headline news.

And what is the value of all the world events, including even those in Iraq, as compared to the expected scenes of the uprooting of the Jews of Gush Katif from their homes? How can the world's journalists, and the editors who sent them, not be moved by the historic precedent in which a Jewish minister of defense invites them to a Jewish training camp where tens of thousands of Jewish soldiers are training to expel 8,000 Jewish settlers from their homes? They watch the exercise together with the Jewish chief of staff and nearly the entire general staff of the Jewish army. And they are impressed by their hosts' unconcealed pleasure at the success of the exercise - in which Jewish soldiers are able to overcome the bad settlers who refuse to understand that for the sake of peace, which will, after all, arrive on the day after the evacuation, they must make this tiny sacrifice.

Some of the journalists who arrived early visited me for background talks - someone must have told them that quite a few of the settlements earmarked for uprooting were established in the period when I was head of the Yesha Council of settlements - and I have to note that none of them was able to explain convincingly the source of this tremendous interest in an event which, with all its internal Israeli intensity, is quite marginal in terms of any world criterion or any news criterion. Because, after all, they know as well as anyone else that there will not be a civil war here; that the government of Ariel Sharon will not fall; and that the army, despite the large number of officers who live in settlements, will not revolt.

What, then, is the story? Which carcasses will the media vultures swoop down on and what do the news organizations expect that makes it worth their while to spend so much money and have their representatives live in the difficult conditions of the Negev desert at the hottest time of the year, not to mention the dangers they face in the form of Qassam rockets or roadside ambushes?

For more than a generation, the settlers have been painted in the blackest colors possible. Certainly even blacker than the Palestinian suicide bombers, more bloodthirsty than Al-Qaida, and more brutal than the liquidators in Chechnya, Sudan or Iraq. And now, when the time for sweet revenge has arrived - and when their own people are those who are executing the revenge - the media has arrived en masse to document the fall of the bad guys.

The international community, which has been so conditioned to hate the settlers, will take pleasure in the images that will be photographed, by more than 3,000 professional cameramen, of what may turn out to be the start of the uprooting of the entire Zionist dream, the cardinal tenet of which is Jewish settlement in every part of the Land of Israel. What could be more interesting in this drama than the Jewish myth uprooting itself, as the Jews shatter the formative narrative of their national movement, which is based primarily on settlement? Perhaps this uprooting hints at the beginning of the end of what was done here in the past 120 years.

There is an almost seminal change in the fact that it is not Europeans and Arabs who are expelling Jews, as was the case in the past, but the Jews who are expelling themselves. And the journalists, the descendants of those former expellers, will be here to document the present, advanced stage of the expulsion of Jews (when it seemed that such acts belonged to the dark ages of history).

It is not every day that history summons up a precedent-setting spectacle of this kind, in which Jews expel Jews and thereby declare implicitly that what the Europeans did to them in the past was not so terrible. For the fact is that they themselves, in their own land, are capable of doing it to themselves.

Question

If the IDF announced a date on which it would withdraw military protection for the Gaza settlers how many seconds after this announcement would the Gaza settlers remain?

Answer

1 second
5 seconds
10 seconds

why does everyone hate israel?
lets watch the gazans and see what they do in 57 years time? the last few years will no doubt be repeated, that is not much progress..........argue that they live under constant threat of attack by Israel........well up yours coz Israel is the most highly developed country in the world in such a short time and it has also lived under constant threat and has been attacked on numerous times. Gaza under threat from some tanks and apaches?? Israel has been under threat of attack from Gazans, Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, jordan (prior to treaties)

this is why everyone hates Israel, downright jeaulousy......good luck Palestine. I look forward to using your computers, your medical technolgy, your tourism and your beautiful fruit.

by Ran HaCohen

Disgrace

Disgrace: this is one of my first emotions when I watch the settlers' uprising against the eviction of the settlements of Gaza and a couple in the West Bank. Take a look at these guys: adults and youth, men and women, with no fear, no hesitations, no need to apologize when they struggle against their own state. All over the country they block roads. They put chains on school gates at night, they pour glue into the door locks in state offices. They obtain the schedule of the prime minister and boo him wherever he goes. They threaten to kill the chief-of-staff, they harass individual officers at home. They pour oil and scatter nails on the highways. They sabotage army and police vehicles; they pour sugar into bulldozers' oil tanks. They resist and hit soldiers and police; their favorite curse for the Israeli forces is "Nazi." They incite soldiers to disobey orders, and they actually disobey them. An inner uprising like Israel has never seen.

Nothing of this kind happened here when hundreds of Palestinians were butchered under Israeli auspices in Lebanon in 1982. Or when Rabin deported 400 Palestinians to Lebanon in 1992. Or when an Israeli settler massacred dozens of Palestinians praying in the Patriarchs' Tomb in Hebron in 1994. Or when an Israeli jet killed nine children by dropping a one-ton bomb on a densely populated neighborhood of Gaza in 2002. Or when Israel tried to kill with missiles the entire Hamas leadership in 2002, or when it finally succeeded in killing the 65-year-old spiritual leader Yassin in his wheelchair last year. Not when thousands of Palestinians lost their homes in the Second Intifada and became refugees in their own land. Not when the entire Palestinian population is caged by the Wall. None of these atrocities, and so many more, ever brought about a protest even slightly reminiscent of the present settlers' unrest, caused by a legitimate decision (not yet taken) by the democratically elected Israeli government to move less than 5 percent of the settlers from one point to another within their "holy" land of Israel, with most generous compensations for their possessions and inconvenience.

I believe it was Kierkegaard who once said you can learn a lot about a person from the one thing that makes him serious. By the same token, you can learn so much about a society from the one thing that makes it take to the street. The fact that no atrocity ever made Israeli society, taken as a whole, protest the way the settlers do now, is disgraceful evidence for the complete moral bankruptcy of the Jewish state.

Roads Blocked

Not everything leaves the average Israeli so indifferent, of course. When settlers again blocked highways all over Israel this week, angry drivers approached them with iron bars. This story made it to the headlines: on one side the settlers, well-organized as always, on the other side the police, or what's left of it after the neo-liberal waves of privatization and budget cuts, and some drivers, furious enough to confront the settlers physically. Indeed, if there is one thing Israelis cannot bear, it's waiting for a highway to reopen. Five years ago, when Israeli Arabs dared block a few roads in Israel as the Second Intifada had just started, the popular Israeli wisdom unanimously agreed that such blocking is totally unacceptable, backing the police decision to use live ammunition and kill Arab-Israeli citizens to keep the roads open. Nowadays, the police found out there are other methods to keep the roads open, or even that human life is sometimes more important than an open road – at least when Jewish, not Arab, life is at stake.

I wonder how many of those furious Israeli drivers ever think of the Palestinians in the occupied territories, where there are no highways (not for Palestinians, that is), but where the roads, wretched after decades of stingy occupation with zero investment in infrastructure, are paved with hostile Israeli checkpoints and roadblocks, where humiliated Palestinians have to wait again and again, sometimes long hours in the burning sun, just to be able to cross on foot (cars not allowed).

Israeli drivers by now come equipped with iron bars to open the roads blocked by the settlers: after all, we have a right to move freely in our own land. But Palestinian violence always remains incomprehensible to us. Surely they don't suppose they have any right to move freely in their own land; and even if they do, is this a reason to become violent?!

Lynching

The blocked roads were top news; only later, much later down the line-up, came the Palestinian Ziad Majaida, aged 16 or 18 (reports vary), lynched by extremist Jewish settlers in the Gaza Strip the same afternoon (29.6). Television footage shows the wounded boy lying on the ground, a soldier trying to protect him, while settlers keep stoning him. The boy later told television that it all started when a soldier pushed him to the wall, making him an easy prey for the murderous settlers; Ha'aretz journalist Nir Hasson reported from the scene of the crime about a paramedic, a "moderate" settler, fetched to treat the fainting boy:

"He wavered for twenty seconds whether or not to treat Hilal, as one of the attackers yelled at him: 'If you treat him, we'll kill you.' He turned back embarrassed, and left. The injured man was laying on the ground, his face covered with blood, losing consciousness."

Israeli television later "explained" that when the lynch was taking place – next to a private Palestinian house violently taken over by settlers just a couple days before – not enough soldiers were around. But there were lots of cameras and reporters around, from all over the world: Hasson reports that unlike the brave paramedic, he and several other journalists were actually trying to help the lynched boy. So no one was surprised by the lynch – no one except the Israeli army. Pay attention to this "surprise." We Jews know it all too well: we experienced it for centuries, all over Europe, when everybody knew of an imminent pogrom, except for the local police, which was "surprised" and therefore "regretfully unable" to protect the abused Jews.

Seeds of Fascism

The settlers thus do not operate on their own. For almost 40 years, they got used to the total support of the state for their illegal project. "Illegal" not just because the settlements are contrary to international law, but because the entire settlement project – about 200 settlements housing 250,000 settlers – has been carried out illegally, in clandestine cooperation among the settlers, the army, the state apparatus, and the political echelon, working in harmony against all law and order, bypassing democratic procedures, cheating the public and the media: "it's all right to lie for the Land of Israel," as Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir once said. This covert cooperation has turned the settlers into the "Lords of the Land" (the title of a new Hebrew book on the settlers' history, by Akiva Eldar and Idith Zertal), who got used to doing whatever crime and offense they wanted and being backed, or at least pardoned, by the state.

Every Israeli conscript knows: a radical left-wing record, your own or in your family, disqualifies you for any elite army unit. However, this week the Israeli Air Force proudly announced that the son of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein has become a pilot. No wonder then, that the army now admits that all its operative plans, no matter how classified, are immediately leaked to the settlers.

The settlers obeyed the state only as long as it obeyed them. Having been used by Israel as its Freikorps, as the thugs who do the dirty jobs the state is unable or unwilling to do for itself, the overflow of settlers' traditional violence into the heart of Israel is a natural development. As the Jewish writer Albert Memmi experienced and described so well during the French colonization of Tunisia, "Every colonial nation carries the seeds of the Fascist temptation." Those deadly seeds flourish these days in Israel.

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Dr. Ran HaCohen was born in the Netherlands in 1964 and grew up in Israel. He has a B.A. in Computer Science, an M.A. in Comparative Literature, and his PhD is in Jewish Studies. He is a university teacher in Israel. He also works as a literary translator (from German, English and Dutch), and as a literary critic for the Israeli daily Yedioth Achronoth. Mr. HaCohen's work has been published widely in Israel. "Letter from Israel" appears occasionally at Antiwar.com.
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"The bulldozing of homes with families inside them?"

How quickly we forget. This is the tactic of Fatah, tanzim Hamas and PFLP. Israel warns inhabitants of the impending destruction of their homes. The palestinian "freedom fighters" force the elderly inhabitants to stay in their homes, and set booby traps all around.
Useful idiots of course scream "Israel israel!!!!, while offering tacit support to the terrorists who purposely murdered their own people.

That's a damn LIE, and you know it.

"home Homepage:  http://www.ifamericansknew.crap"

it's a hoot when Arabists quote Nazi websites....makes everything they have to say more "credible".

It's been a traditional Arab tactic in the wars against Israel, force the deaths of innocent civilians and blame Israel...it's a PR game, and innocent Arabs and Jews lose their lives, for the sake of propaganda.
Remember at the beginning of the bloody intifada, little Mohamed Al Dura...turns out he was shot by the palestinians, a gunman standing next to the cameraman filming the event...
The Jenin "massacre" thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions even slaughtered by the brutal Israelis...turns out 56 mostly gunamn were killed in the incursion. The worst bit was the 10 year old boy who was blown up by his father in order to kill 13 Israeli reservists. the soldiers went to help the boy get out of the shooting zone...Dad siezed the opportunity and detonated the bombs he strapped to his son's chest...
Nice people you support...

No - this is what Israel has done for the World whilst absorbing massive immigration, fighting to survive and building its economy:

In fact what Israel has offered the world is unparalled.

If anyone you know suffers from cancer or heart disease, their lives would be more painful and far shorter if Israel did not exist:-

Israel has set an example of a level of humanitarian medical aid to others including Palestinians, which no other nation can compete with.
Israel’s medical support programmes to Palestinian society
Here are the facts: Israel was responsible for the welfare of the Palestinians during these years, 1967 – 1994, until the Palestinian Authority took over. During that period, Israel has presented annually dramatic documented achievements to the World Health Organisation (WHO) either by myself, as head of the Israeli delegation, or by the other Israeli officials of the Ministry of Health. This included the total eradication in the Palestinian population of poliomyelitis, neonatal-tetanus and measles. Also, Israel dramatically reduced the death rate of Palestinian newborns from over 60/1000 to 19/1000 within those 27 years of Israel’s presence.
These achievements and others were accomplished by the directives of Israel’s Health Authority in planning, training and implementation of modern medicine. This included the introduction of new immunisation protocols (in coordination with UNICEF) as well as new technologies and new medicines.
These programmes were performed either on site at Palestinian facilities, or in Israel’s hospitals and medical schools, where doctors, nurses, midwives, medical technicians etc were trained. These achievements resulted from the willingness of the local Palestinian population to be helped (almost free of charge) by Israel’s public health care system, and by the collaborative nature of Palestinian medical teams.


Hi-Tech
• The cell phone was developed by Israelis working in the Israeli branch of Motorola.
• Most of the Windows NT and XP operating systems were developed by Microsoft-Israel.
• The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Both the Pentium-4 microprocessor and the Centrino processor were entirely designed, developed and produced in Israel.
• Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
• Both Microsoft and Cisco built their only R&D facilities outside the US in Israel.
• The technology for the AOL Instant Messenger ICQ was developed by four young Israelis.
• With more than 3,000 high-tech companies, Israel has the highest concentration of hi-tech companies in the world (apart from Silicon Valley).
Medicine
• Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.
• An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical treatment. 7,000 patients a year die from treatment mistakes in U.S. hospitals.
• Israelis developed the first ingestible video camera (so small it fits inside a pill) used to view the small intestine from the inside.
• Israeli researchers developed a device that helps the heart pump blood and has the potential to save the lives of those with heart failure.
• Clear Light, a new acne treatment developed in Israel, produces a light that kills acne bacteria without damaging surrounding skin or tissue.
Biotechnology, biomedical and clinical research account for over half of all scientific publications. Local scientists have developed methods for producing a human growth hormone, interferon (a group of proteins effective against viral infections), and Copaxone, a medicine effective in the treatment of multiple sclerosis. Genetic engineering, including cloning, has resulted in a wide range of diagnostic kits based on monoclonal antibodies, along with other microbiological products.
Sophisticated medical equipment for both diagnostic and treatment purposes has been developed and marketed worldwide, such as computer tomography (CT) scanners, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) systems, ultrasound scanners, nuclear medical cameras, surgical lasers, and a miniature camera encased in a swallowable capsule used to diagnose gastro-intestinal disease.
ENERGY R&D: Extensive development of alternative energy sources such as solar, thermal and wind energy has been a positive outcome of the country's lack of conventional energy sources. Israel is a leader in the solar energy field at every level and the world's largest per capita user of solar water heaters in the home. Recently a new, high-efficiency receiver to collect concentrated sunlight has been developed which will enhance the use of solar energy in industry as well. An advance in harnessing wind energy has been the production of a wind turbine with a flexible, inflatable rotor. A project developed by a team of scientists at the Technion uses dry air and water to produce energy through 1,000-meter high chimneys.


Thriving Democracy
• Israel is the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
• In 1984 and 1991, Israel airlifted a total of 22,000 Ethiopian Jews (Operation Solomon) at Risk in Ethiopia, to safety in Israel.
• When Golda Meir was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1969, she became the world's second elected female leader in modern times.
• Relative to its population, Israel is the largest immigrant-absorbing nation on earth. Immigrants come in search of democracy, religious freedom, and economic opportunity.
• Israel has the world's second highest per capita of new books.
• Israel has more museums per capita than any other country.


Medicine:

Israeli scientists developed the first fully computerized, no-radiation,
diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer.

An Israeli company developed a computerized system for ensuring proper
administration of medications, thus removing human error from medical
treatment. Every year in U.S. hospitals 7,000 patients die from treatment
mistakes.

Israel's Givun imaging developed the first ingestible video camera, so small
it fits inside a pill. Used the view the small intestine from the inside,
the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.

Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart
pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with
congestive heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's
mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.




So this is why I am proud to be part of Israel, her people and her spirit.

I am sorry that you are one who has tried to convey yourself as an 'acceptable Jew' to the Jew haters who regularly criticise all that Israel does and ignore the terrible sufferings in the rest of the World.

You have distanced yourself from Jews who stand up to racism and hatred and who succeed in spite of terror and vicious anti semites. You are weak and pathetic. I pity you

Oh here we go, the old "self-hating" schtick wheeled out by a moron with no original thoughts in his Zionazi bullet-head.

I don't hate myself, or my identity, in the slightest. I don't base my definition of "Jewishness" around the need to placate some invisible "Jew-hating" conspiracy either. Or to suck up to bullyboys like yourself who, if not for an accident of race and history, would have happily been dragging the Poles to concentration camps to aid the Greater German policy of Lebensraum (just like on the West Bank)

Again you speak like a Nazi. You value a racist ultra-nationalism (mixed up with the usual contradictory paranoid victimhood of the ultra-Zionist Jew) alongside the traditional fascist trait of contempt for the perceived "weak" - ie those who value reason and tolerance over blind faith and the Rule Of Force.

You expose yourself as "weak and pathetic" through your need to cluster around a powerful symbol, rather than to take responsibility for yourself and your own identity.

If you were "strong", you would not need the psychological crutch of Israel to feel validated as a Jew and - above all - as a human being.

I don't hate myself, mate - but I hate people like you: because you feel that only by hating the rest of the world (and cringeing from it all as a bunch of "Jew haters") can you feel like anybody at all.

Israel is not David any more, mate - it is Goliath. And don't waste your pity on me. Save it for the millions condemned to misery by the establishment of the fucked-up apartheid shithole that is the false state of Israel.

You speak only for yourself and the far right minority of Jewish fascists. Being the Chosen People does not give us the right to call themselves a Master Race.

Please Note: The above numbers do not include Palestinian suicide bombers (or other attackers) nor do they include Palestinians targeted for assassination, though bystanders killed during these assassinations are counted. However, IDF soldiers killed during incursions into Palestinian lands are counted.

The nasty Zionist Extremist even levelled the "self-hating" charge. Shameful hatred ...

Read more about Zionist Propaganda techniques at the link provided.

Your little rant does not take away the wonderful things Israel has brought to the World, a few of which were highlighted in my above post.

Israel is a beautiful country with a whole mix of amazing people living there. Whatever her faults she is a far brighter beacon of democracy, human rights and civil liberties than any other country in the middle east.

So why dont you go and have a go an Iran instead? or do you consider the regime there to somehow be in line with your beliefs?

Zionists leaving one part of Zionist occupied Palestine to move to another part of Zionist occupied Palestine is about as much of a "pull out" as when a rapist pulls out of his victims pussy to rape her ass. Hardly a reason to weep or cheer for the rapist or Zionists.

What we should have learned by the Gaza Pull Out.
That People whether Israelis or Palestinians do not like losing their land and homes.
So before we really have a huge problem in the West Bank and Jerusalem. Because until there is the Palestinian State there is still reason for the resistance.
Let us go ahead and make that Palestinian State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza.
That we do not have that State with its official Borders is the Problem Now.
Everyone is quite aware that there are some 1,200,000 or so Arabs living inside Israel Proper. Almost every single nation on earth is made up of more then one ethnic group.
So instead of forcing people to move, just fix the borders.
The 400,000 or so Jewish settlers will then be living in Palestine.
Let there be a five to ten year period on which they can decide on their own whether or not they like living in Palestine or if they want to move to the Official State of Israel.
Once they choose on their own, Israel can then help them financially to move.
Lets not have the forced move like in Gaza…….

The most important thing we can do for Peace Now and not in the distant future is to make the Palestinian State NOW! That will end the reason for the conflict.

Israel with some 5,000,000 or so Jews and 1,200,000 Arabs.
Palestine with some 4,000,000 or so Palestinians and some 400,000 Jews.

There is conflict because the Palestinians are being Oppressed not because a Jew lives down the Road.


I might not be saying this if there were not already Arabs living with Jews in Israel Proper.

The other Current Problem is the Wall inside the West Bank instead of on the Pre 1967 (Green Line) Border.

If the Wall was on the Green Line. The Jews who do not like living East of the line can choose on their own to move West of the Line.