if only more people were willing to take the world so seriously as to acknowledge when they get it wrong.

thanks for posting!

i was....

I take it you mean that lying little shit PsyOps and his sock puppet supporters...

thank you, liberal.

i have to agree with you. this is a sad affair.

frankly i find it appalling that a shoot-to-kill policy has been put into place, with disastrous results; and instead of stepping back and re-assessing the whole thing now that an totally innocent man is dead, the policy stands as if it is completely all right. it is not all right. both Blair's should go.

unfortunately the strange minds of Indymedia trolls (Magoo and Zorro) will be escoriating us within moments. but people, humans, shouldn't this monstrously phony war on "ze terrorists" end? what we are seeing is fascism and the destruction of our own rights, not protection from terror.

"unfortunately the strange minds of Indymedia trolls (Magoo and Zorro) "


Did I get chucked out the gang or something?

Well, what will you do if tomorow the press tells you that the Mail has been hoaxed and that the true version of the facts is Mark Whitby's. Will you change your mind again ?

Remember the Mirror affair with the faked photographs of abused Iraqi prisonners. They got published just after the Abu Ghraib scandal.

What were their purpose : Cleaning the ass of the British Army in Public Opinion's mind.

But in fact the ass was not clean. See the trials in London and all the military personnel that Goldsmith is currently forced to charge for abuse and possibly murder.

Just only with this hoax they have been able to say in newspapers : See, unlike the americans we are clean in Iraq and this is the fact of people who want to tarnish the reputation of the British Army.

There is no official version of anything so far about Jean De Menezes' death.

What if they come up again with : "Those photographs are forged, we can prove it. We are not behaving like this."

Will then the account of Mark Whitby show acceptable behaviour of the Police ( Shooting someone with five bullets AFTER having captured him) ?

No it won't but it will turn to be : In fact he was running, had a thick paded coat, etc... And there are bastards who try to tarnish the reputation of the British Police. You get it. The most shocking will be forgotten. It is called a Psyop.

I just speculate of course.

you divvy

Well I'm not apologising for not endorsing the suggestion that he was shot on the basis of of some Zionist conspiracy to hoax a terrorist organisation based on nothing but a load of tosh. PsyOps has so far being insightful of nothing at all. He certainly didn't foresee the guy was totally innocent and specifically demonstrate in advance of the IPPC leak (which he predicted to be a "whitewash" that should be "boycotted"- I guess Ian Blair possibly took his advice). Lest we forget his babbling on about the media being part of this "conspiracy"... but as usual he changes his tune when it suits him.

We had been *told* by a certain candadian fruitcake ALL sorts of things (ever shifting). That we were "sheeple" for believing an "official version". An official version that didn't exist in any meaningful way (the same goes for 7th and 21st of July).

Given that total lack of any official detail and the press being left to run riot with speculation (and possibly MI5 manipulation in "eyewitness" testimony- wild speculation, but who knows), I and other are supposed to aplogise for urging caution and scrutinising absurd conspiracy tales.

It ain't even over yet! As wisely pointed out who knows what's going on yet. All I'll say it is looking rather iffy at the moment. As I stated early on in this whole thing: the truth is stranger than fiction.

Apology? Yur erse! I'll apolgise the day they prove that Mossad bombed London hahahaha!

gazubal

Whitby has stated now that he thinks he was mistaken and really saw the thugs...pardon police who shot Menezes at pint blank range....OIdd because he says he looked into Menezes' 'asian' eyes and gave the famous cornered rabbit comparison. Now how could he have missed the blue denim jacket?

What Whitby said:
'And indeed, this is exactly what’s happening with the De Menezes murder as the ‘eye-witness’ report by a certain Mark Whitby shows





I was sitting on the train… I heard a load of noise, people saying, ‘Get out, get down’.



I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by three plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black handgun.



‘He half tripped… they pushed him to the floor and basically unloaded five shots into him,’ he told BBC News 24.



As [the suspect] got onto the train I looked at his face, he looked sort of left and right, but he basically looked like a cornered rabbit, a cornered fox.



He looked absolutely petrified and then he sort of tripped, but they were hotly pursuing him, [they] couldn’t have been any more than two or three feet behind him at this time and he half tripped and was half pushed to the floor and the policeman nearest to me had the black automatic pistol in his left hand.



He held it down to the guy and unloaded five shots into him.



He [the suspect] had a baseball cap on and quite a sort of thickish coat – it was a coat you’d wear in winter, sort of like a padded jacket.



He might have had something concealed under there, I don’t know. But it looked sort of out of place with the sort of weather we’ve been having, the sort of hot humid weather.

BBC News Website, Friday, July 22, 2005

 http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m14828&l=i&size=1&hd=0

There are matters of fact and there are matters of opinion. We may have opinions based on our current understanding of the facts, knowing that those facts may later be contradicted.

The point of the exercise, surely, is neither to defend the police nor to criticise them in the absence of a coherent account of what actually happened. "Liberal" seems to be making the same mistake again, changing his mind when a few more nuggets of information come to light. The recent revelations may look very different when put in the context of everything else that eventually becomes known. Or, of course, they may not.

One of the biggest confusions here has been that many people are conflating the issues around this single incident with the wider shoot-to-kill policy. While the STK debate can take this incident into account, it doesn't really tell us anything that we don't already know, namely, that mistakes can happen and those mistakes can be fatal.

Personally, I'm interested in following what's going on but I'll reserve judgement on the culpability of the people involved in this shooting, and the Commissioner, until at the very least we have the final IPCC report.

I would like to apologise, however, for various comments that I have made about the poster known, among other aliases, as "Don't Believe the PsyOps". Some people may have unfairly been given the impression that I regard that poster's contributions as uneducated, illiterate, illogical, fallacious, contradictory, paranoid and irrelevant. I now realise that Mr PsyOps has offered the world deep and profound insights into contemporary political culture. Where he leads, we aspire to follow. Nothing is as it seems. Black is white. Bush and Blair are LIARS. ACAB. If you're not with us, you're a spook/troll. Focus still interesting.