Anti-Semitism on the rise in the UK
Uzi | 07.10.2005 09:27
John Mann, a UK member of parliament from the Labour party, last week convened a committee of his fellow legislators to investigate the recent increase in British anti-Semitism
The committee includes senior parliamentarians from all parties and all regions of the UK. The group will present a report of its findings and recommendations for action to combat anti-Semitism to government ministers.
2004 saw the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents in the UK, 532, since 1984, including the desecration of 17 synagogues. Among other aspects of the increase in anti-Semitic attacks to be investigated by the MPs will be the identity of most perpetrators of the attacks - extremist Muslims or right-wing fascists.
2004 saw the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents in the UK, 532, since 1984, including the desecration of 17 synagogues. Among other aspects of the increase in anti-Semitic attacks to be investigated by the MPs will be the identity of most perpetrators of the attacks - extremist Muslims or right-wing fascists.
Uzi
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Coincidence?
07.10.2005 14:45
Jack Straw said "all British-born Muslims pose a threat" declaring open season for racists and inciting reprisals.
Even the Police State has got in on the act, holding Muslims without trial and ignoring their torture in US detention.
Muslims were massacred in huge numbers in Bosnia, Chechnya, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and soon, Iran and Syria, it's called genocide, and nobody bats an eye-lid.
...But the alleged desecration of a Synagogue makes ancient Anti-Semitism the priority.
Abu Ghraib
Alleged - are you mad
07.10.2005 15:46
The Hillock synagogue in Manchester has been attacked, the Bury Henrew Congregation has had its windows smashed, our graves are attacked.
The reason is that for hundreds of years there has been a combination of Pagan, Christian and now Muslim hatred (and I do not mean all) which has been directed against Jews.
Anti semitism is a terrible curse. Some idiot will reply to this post saying that we bring it on ourselves - but that is a typical response by those who seek to justify this hatred.
As we enter the Jewish New Year, we are all to aware of what we face in the future and what has happened in the past - and already morons such as he who wrote the above post are denying that our religious buildings were ever attacked.
Jewish and Proud
on the rise
07.10.2005 16:26
What's below is what been's actually posted at various indymedias over the years. Not one word has been changed.
One of it's common pieces of indyspam is "an ad hominem is not a rebuttal", but note that you're forced to accept it's word, or the alternative is an ad hominem attack.
Can the Collective afford such a high risk as this?
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phrenic
'scuse me
07.10.2005 17:45
I've had a good look on the web and can't find this surprising quote. Perhaps someone could provide a link so we can judge what the fool said for himself?
Paranoid Pete
Really? This Again?
07.10.2005 19:24
Antisemitism is at its lowest point in recorded history, while hatred and racial attacks upon people of Arab descent has become official State policy. Who are these MPs listening to? Who has political clout and who doesn't?
Criticism of Israel and Zionism is not "Antisemitism".
What About Islamophobia?
eh
07.10.2005 20:17
Abandoned synagogues, and presumably deconsecrated ones at that? And given that the settlements were illegal, and hence (presumably) the synagogues, is it quite right to claim it is a sort of Krystalnacht anti-semitic crime?
Boab
That Was The Point
07.10.2005 22:28
Now, they surround the Concentration Camp known as Gaza, in place to shell the Palestinians in an operation called "First Rain".
Abhorrent.
Zionists Are Masters At Propaganda
A thought
08.10.2005 18:12
Of course, they do tend to shoot the journalists....
Boab
The Palestinians caused the Middle East crisis not the Jews!
09.10.2005 09:08
The Palestinians have brought their own suffering on themselves, if they had renounced terrorism long ago or never taken up terrorism in the first place then they would not have suffered at all. Don't blame the victim for the crimes it suffers, Israel, blame the perpetrators, the Palestinians!
Concerned
"phrenic"
09.10.2005 11:16
This is actually a well known troll who sometimes calls himself "SmashTheLeft" and has been stalking "nessie" for years:
"Nessie's" outspoken anti-capitalism and anti-Zionism on Indymedia has made him the target of a fairly extensive smear campaign. To see how extensive, Google "nessie indymedia"
In case you're interested, the Harry Hay article he's talking actually exists, unlike a great many things that he and various other forgers claim "nessie" wrote. It can be found here:
counter intelligence unit
Concerned about what exactly?
09.10.2005 13:01
Yes, life under military occupation is so wonderful ....
Mitt liv som hund
Hey
09.10.2005 14:22
You Jewish? Its just a guess, you understand.....
Boab
The old cancer is back - as evidenced by Indymedia regulars
10.10.2005 06:51
What proof do you have of this? absolutely none; this is simply a lie where you assume that everyone will be happy to accept your anti-semitic conspiracy theory - did we also fake the holocaust?
"Antisemitism is at its lowest point in recorded history"
Boab;
"Abandoned synagogues, and presumably deconsecrated ones at that? "
In Gaza, yes they were recently abandoned - does that make it right; Israel has laws against knocking down or in any way desecrating mosques.
"And given that the settlements were illegal, and hence (presumably) the synagogues, is it quite right to claim it is a sort of Krystalnacht anti-semitic crime? "
I do not claim that it was a sort of Krystalnacht anti-semitic crime - but when graveyards are attacked in the UK and arson attacks happen against synagogues in Manchester and accross Western and Eastern Europe, as well as the abandoned ones in Gaza; well - lets just remember that the holocaust did not start with gas chambers, it began with boycotts and vandalised shools.
Jewish and Proud
An unwarranted claim of moral superiority
10.10.2005 07:32
"In Gaza, yes they were recently abandoned - does that make it right; Israel has laws against knocking down or in any way desecrating mosques."
He neglects to say that the Knesset reversed a decision to demolish the deconsecrated synagogues themselves, he neglects to mention that the synagogues were erected on land stolen from individuals and that neighbouring communities went through hell because the settlements were there, that there was bound to be anger against any remaining symbol of oppression and then he has the temerity to claim that Israel has respect for mosques. However, when the Israelis ethnically cleansed large swathes of Palestine in 1948 there were quite number of mosques and christian churches in the 418 villages and towns that were emptied of their populations at gun point, and through rape, killing and fear, and then destroyed.
Saleh Abdel Jawad describes the fate of those mosques and churches:
"Finally, part of the popular Palestinian reaction was informed by bitter experience with Israeli practices in the past and the present vis-a-vis Palestinian religious sites. After 1948, Israel destroyed around 418 villages. In a few cases, because of the intervention of individuals, some mosques, I can think of 20, maximum 30, remained intact. But in each of these 418 villages there was at least one mosque or church. In other cases, mosques were turned into bars. To name just two, I can think of one in Cesaria and one in old Jaffa. I saw a mosque in Zakaria that is now being used as a garbage dump. Several mosques were also turned into stables for horses."
To suggest that the actions of angry Gazans is evidence of growing anti-semitism in the UK is palpably absurd.
compare and contrast
Anti-semitism is alive and well in the UK
10.10.2005 11:03
.....and Boab why do you want to know if Concerned is Jewish? You have no axe to grind with Jews, just Zionists remember?
Shea Gitts
Actually...
10.10.2005 20:22
Boab
Actually....
11.10.2005 08:11
Answer the question - could it be you unhealthy obsession with Jews?.
J&P
Ach wheesht man
11.10.2005 16:00
Concerned's piece is blatantly one-sided and makes a number of important factual errors, particularly concerning the fate of Palestinians in Israel's early history. He's either poorly educated, or part of the usual pro-Israeli propoganda lobby who appear whenever there is any questioning of their tactics against Palestinians.
Hence the question as to whether he was Jewish. I might equally have said Israeli, whoch is almost the same thing these days. So stop stirring it. Criticism of Israel and Zionism does not mean anti-semitisim and you will be unable to find any anti-semitic (or anti prod or anti catholic or whatever) posts from me here or anywhere.
Boab
FAO Boab
12.10.2005 08:43
As you are aware I am a Zionist. I deny any claim that I am racist and believe that the extreme left is guilty of this charge. I have spent years working with asylum seekers from across the globe, irrespective of race or religion.
I continue to work in the sphere of human rights and as far as internal Israeli politics are concerned, I am to the left of centre; favour a two state solution but recognise the sad need for security and the rights of Israelis to be able to go for a coffee without fear of getting their legs blown off.
It is right that Israel, as with any other state, should be criticised when it is wrong. However none can deny that Israel is put under a microscope far more than any other state in the world.
Is this because Israel is the worst of all states; absolutely not.
Daily slaughters in Sudan, Somalia and various sub-Saharan states, massive human rights abuses in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria; wide use of the death penalty in China, Nigeria, Malaysia, Thailand and the US - and yet these are hardly reported in the news.
Israel however is regularly in the news - it is not the only state occupying disputed territory; Russia occupies Chechnya, China occupies Tibet - how many times Boab have you criticised Russia or China for their occupations?
This obssession the left has with Israel stifles meaningful debate. We become defensive as your criticism is disproportionate, constant and wholly exagerated.
Yet what is never reported are the wonderful things Israel has done for the world since it came into power.
I have, on several posts listed the wonderful achievements by Israel in fields of science, medicine, arts and agriculture.
African states still widely use the irrigation methods in which they were trained by Israel for free.
In the Pakistan quake - Israel has offered to set up field hospitals, as they did after the Tsunami. In Turkey they have sent the army to dig people out of earthquakes.
If you know somebody suffering from cancer, then they are being treated by Israeli developed drugs, similarly heart disease, diabities and many other conditions are being tackeled by israeli medical advances.
Boab, no other country in short a short time has done so much good for the world. Yet all you see is bad. I can think of only one reason - an obsession with Jews.
So please understand why I believe you and Twilight and the many others on this site to be wholly anti semitic.
J&P
yet some comments are anti-semetic
12.10.2005 08:47
non-jewish observer
Please be careful what you say
12.10.2005 09:38
Menechem Begin
We do not want to upset our masters.
a concerned goy
what happened to my original post?
12.10.2005 11:55
As I have said elsewhere, while not all anti-zionists are anti-semites, all anti-semites are undoubtedly anti-zionist. Some posts on this site do read like modern re-treads of the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' fallacy with Jews/Zionists/Mossad being accused of being behind every government conspiracy, commonly implicated in controlling the media etc. In medieval times Jews were also accused of poisoning wells and spreading plague too!!! If people cannot see the parallels then they should read more history, preferably from sources other than the likes of Der Ewige Jude, Jud Suss and Der Sturmer!!
non-jewish observer
J & P
12.10.2005 12:06
Yes, Tibet is wrong. And Indonesia. And lots of other places. And perhaps it is strange that Israel is under the spotlight. But its still not an excuse to treat Palestians like shite. To shoot tv reporters (several times) and protestors.
I've no problem with the existence of Israel, in principle, and understand a determination to defend yourself when 6 million of your relations have gone up in smoke. I DO have a problem with the abysmal way Palestinians are treated and always have been in the state of Israel.
Boab
what is it about the numbers thing?
12.10.2005 15:09
Yeah, also the world jewish council (the rightwing revisionist apologists for hitler[sic]) seems to be in on the game, having reduced the overall death numbers for some death camps several times over the years. I believe that the numbers for awsch. fell from 4 million in the 50's to 1 million now.
This thought police attitude to historical investigation is extremly damaging to truth.
Any religious jews out there care to tell us what the significance of six million dead jewish souls is to the issue of the third kingdom?
And, why the figure has been mentioned with regard to the deaths in the first world war also (ie as early as 1925 in letters from leading jewish organisations)?
Also explain why leading jewish historians of all political and religious persuasions have consistantly discussed and contended the 'official' figure since befor even the end of the war?
Also, touch upon the issue of the numbers of christian russians killed by the jewish dominated communists - go on I dare you!
a concerned goy
Oh make sense!
12.10.2005 17:45
"jewish dominated communists "
Oh dear. I'm afraid I'm having trouble discerning your argument. As far as I can tell, and to paraphrase the earlier post, you do rather seem to be working up to the long standing anti-semetic tradition of sugegsting that the Jews/Zionists/Mossad are behind every government conspiracy, controlling the media, eating our children, and making the toast fall butter-side down.
Turing to numbers of dead, I think the court case in the UK you might want to remember was old revisionist nutcase David Irving who spectacularly failed to disprove the 6 m figure (not all Jewish, it has to be said). Take a look at
Boab
My point was not directly about Holocaust denial
12.10.2005 17:47
non-jewish observer
16 out of 17
13.10.2005 14:10
They organized, directed and, in some cases, took part in the wholesale slaughter of upwards of 20 million christian, or 'white' russians in just a few short years. Driven openly by their hatred of [christain] religion - which they discribed as bougeois.
Whatever David Irving did, said or is, he fought that law suit against being described as a holocaust denier, not on the basis of proving or disproving any facts - just opinion.
Can anyone address any of the questions asked by reference to the facts?
In excess of 250 million people died as a result of the second world war.
For a fuller history of jewish deaths in ww11, turn to the jewish historians themselves, who have no problem debating the number, meaning and responibility therein.
israel and 911:
"Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars.""
CG
Does the ethnic origin of Commissars make it a jewish Conspiracy?
13.10.2005 18:31
passing through
How To Be A Revisionist Scholar
13.10.2005 20:52
10. Fun With Math -- Charge the anti-revisionists with playing numbers games while engaging in them yourself. For example, argue that the "holohoaxers" have changed the estimated number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million. When it's pointed out to you that the 4 million figure was supplied by the Soviets and refers to the total number of victims, not just Jews, and has always been considered ridiculously inflated by non-Soviet historians who have never varied from the 1 million figure for Jews, just repeat that the holohaoxers have changed the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1 million and that the Holocaust is therefore a hoax.
The point of this tactic, of course, is to try to make ALL the death figures questionable. If 4 million is unreliable, then 1 million is likewise unreliable, and you just keep revising the numbers downward until you reach zero, and then - poof! - no Holocaust!
12. But I'm Not Anti-Semitic -- Try to find examples of misdeeds by an individual Jewish person, then imply that this makes all Jews look bad. When you are asked why you think one Jew represents all Jews but that one Christian doesn't represent all Christians, ignore the question.
non-jewish observer
The larger point.
14.10.2005 11:02
Nor am I moved to suggest any particular conspiracy - other than they are all out to get you - regarding jews, muslims christians or whatever. The fact is that there exists fanatical devoties of all kinds within their ranks imicible to any difference and wrapping (transfering) this anxiety into wild theories about race, class, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc etc.
Each of these groups are by and large exploited by two distinct forces: international monoploy capital (the military industrial complex) and religious power seeking domination. Sometimes they work together, sometimes not.
The second world war saw murder on a scale unseen, driven by these forces. Israel was one result of the chaos, anti-semitism one of its cheif allies.
Do not be fooled by the constantly portrayed image of the jew as victim. They are just folk, the same as anybody. Israel has some justification for its belicose nature and its very existance BUT not because jews are superior or are more victimised than others. There is no justification for the treatmant of Palestinians, which amounts to ethnic cleansing, race hatred and other 'nazi' lake qualities, a point consistantly underplayed, avoided and missing from the 'anti-semitism is on the rise again' polemic.
The jewish political commissars and the bolshoviks in general were driven to commit mass murder as much out of their religious feeling, influences, culture, teaching, etc as they were by political considerations (which in turn were also arising from that mental state). This is not a thing for any other jew to carry as guilt however, nor is it a reason to disqualify a modern Israel. It is though, a reason to distrust the utterences of religious zionists - be it christian or jewish.
Better hurry up and finish off this debate though, because soon it will be illegal to have it.
CG