the bombs used to kill the 8 british soldiers in iraq were of the exact same type that british security services had provided to the ira in a botched 'sting' operation more than a decade ago, according to the front page of the independent on sunday newspaper last sunday 16th october.

a former agent who infiltrated the ira told the paper that the technology reached the middle east through the ira's co-opration with palestinian groups. in turn, some of these groups used to be sponsored by saddam and the baath party. he was quoted "there is no doubt in my mind that the technology used to kill out troops in basra is the same british technology from a decade ago".

this, along with early reports, later changed, that the two british sas undercover agents arrested and later illegally freed in iraq recently not only had weapons and fake id, but also a car full of explosives, makes it clear that our security forces are regularly stirring up trouble and blaming it on other groups for political motives.

full article available at
 http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/ulster/article320004.ece

The blackest of black propaganda, instilling in the heads of a target audience that the war against Iran is a already a go (inevitability of history). The psycological background behind this form of propaganda seems contra-common sense to most, but the technique of imagining that a difficult thing has already happened in detail, to make the actual doing more likely, is a method many of us use in our day to day lives without even noticing.

But to go closer.
1) Wrong-footing. The attempt to compare (in detail) a future strike agains Iran with the previous action against Iraq, planting the idea that one already knows the form of US plans. Basic military psy-ops. Connecting this to the Human Shield movement (many genuine members, many spies, and a fully infiltrated leadership) is somewhat clever, since by definition, human shields ONLY work for certain kinds of attack plans.

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number of human shields in Baghdad was not great enough to provide an effective deterrent
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2) The movement is NOT about deterrence, but making a statement that might cause enough normal voters in the US/UK etc to have a combined response that would suitably de-power their leaders. More shields MIGHT raise the profile of the movement, but it would also get more spies into Iran. Of course, now we move into double-bluff territory, where making Iran suspicious of the REAL purpose of such a movement becomes a possible intent.

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election of the RADICAL Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as Iranian President
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3) Did Cheney or Blair write this article??? Always watch for slips of the tongue like this- they are far more common then you would ever guess- same as when governments post statements with the Microsoft draft function active, allowing people to see the various changes the document went through before being published.

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declare Iran in breach of the non-proliferation treaty (NPT) and say that Iran's activities could be examined by the UN security council. A Security Council Resolution affirming the breach could pave the way for ‘a legal invasion’
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4) LIES- TOTAL LIES. If Iran fell foul of the NPT, it can just leave that treaty, and then its status would be IDENTICAL to Israel. The problem with Iran leaving the treaty is that then it COULD NOT get official help with its Nuclear Program from Russia, France etc. The point of the treaty IS NOT the threat of war, but the removal of nuclear technology assistance. If Iran could do all the work itself, and manufacture all of its equipment, it would not need to be in the treaty.

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There is little coverage for stories like the one in the Guardian highlighting that the fact that the supposedly sophisticated devices used as roadside bombs have been manufactured inside Iraq for many months and do not need to be imported from Iran.
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5) The selling of the Guardian, Blair's main pro-war, anti-muslim newspaper. The Guardian targets a key section of the UK (and wider) public. The trick above refers to the fact that the Guardian WILL refer to (apparently anti-Blair) details already known by the more curious and intelligent section of its readership, and thus repeats these details safely to gain confidence. This is this first rule of infiltration. Discover the information already in possession of your target group, and then make a point of giving the same information to them. They won't learn anything new, of course, but will be impressed, and think you are one of them. Then use that gained confidence to guide them in YOUR desired direction.

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Although travelling to Iran or Syria
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6) Dear lord- the crudeness of THIS one!!! Syria= Ba'athist, Sunni, secular. Iran = Shia, religious goverment. However, military psy-ops says to label all the enemies as 'Johny Foreigner'. The is called de-humanising, so you see target humans as one amorphous mass, not individuals.

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Tony Blair to unequivocally distance himself from the President’s warmongering stance.
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7) OPERATION BLAIR IS A PUPPET. Guys, this one is long dead?! Even stupid people seem to have noticed now that Blair LEADS THE WAY, not follows. Didn't you get the psy-ops dept memo saying that THIS black propaganda disinfo is over and done?

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“Military action against Iran would be based on the principle of ‘anticipatory self defence’ or ‘preventive war’.
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8) supposedly anti-war, but magically unaware that what Blair proposes already has a name- AGGRESSIVE WAR- a Crime Agianst Humanity that lead to the death penalty of Hitler's minions at Nuremberg. Still, it is always MORE important for a true anti-war person to push Blair's and Bush's OWN control phrases, isn't it (snigger).

Never really thought much about the Human Shield movement before this moment. Now I note it as just another front. The article would have been more convincing (although to me ANYTHING would have been more convincing) if it had contained reference to the heavy fines and inpending legal action that many of the US Iraq Human Shields now face.

I know many of you are wishful thinkers, and feel unhappy when I rip into some disinfo, psy-ops, or black propaganda piece. I'm sorry, I too wish things were better than they are. However, as I have said before, and will repeat many times again, the security services of the West receive (in total) tens of billions of pounds in funding, and their MAIN job is infiltration, intelligence gathering, control, and subversion. Given the people currently in government, why is it so hard to understand that WE are a major target. Blair controls the Mass Media, and gets EXACTLY the propaganda output he needs there. Innocent man butchered on the underground, and all the papers have a four page spread repeating EXACTLY the SAME lies disseminated after the event, and excatly the same justification for the death squad actions.

But here, and on other sites across the Internet, Blair faces his ONLY broadcast opposition. The other side of THAT coin is that he gets to 'draw out' his more vocal opponents, and he gets to 'plant' material that, while appearing anti-Blair, is actually pro-Blair given its affect on its target audience. He has more success than many of you want to concede, because most of you allow yourselves to be CONDITIONED by which ever mass media outlet is your poison of choice.

The article above screams to me PLANT no less so than the 'OUTRAGE against Iran because of gay issue' ones. The purpose is a little different admittedly, but the end result is still intended to be the same.

human shields should head there.

" I know many of you are wishful thinkers, and feel unhappy when I rip into some disinfo, psy-ops, or black propaganda piece."

Now Twilight, what most of us are unhappy about is your complete failure to substantiate your claims, provide evidence, and so on. In fact what is particularly interesting is that when holes in your claims are identified, you clam up completely! There are at least 4 active threads over the last week!!

Stop spamming this site!

It is strange how you are so quick to defend one of the most despotic and evil regimes on earth. The only people you are helping by your human shield effort is the corrupt evil people in power in Iran. The vast majority of the long suffering Iranians would welcome military action to overthrow the extremely evil regime that mis-rules them and have it replaced with a free democracy!

Only a few weeks ago people on here on this very website indymedia were strongly condeming the Iranian regime for executing two teenagers. The removal of such an evil despotic regime should be the top priority for people on a liberatarian website like this, not any action which will impede its removal!

Oh great. Two of us posting as Observer. Let confusion ensue.

'It is strange how you are so quick to defend one of the most despotic and evil regimes on earth. The only people you are helping by your human shield effort is the corrupt evil people in power in Iran. The vast majority of the long suffering Iranians would welcome military action to overthrow the extremely evil regime that mis-rules them and have it replaced with a free democracy!

Only a few weeks ago people on here on this very website indymedia were strongly condeming the Iranian regime for executing two teenagers. The removal of such an evil despotic regime should be the top priority for people on a liberatarian website like this, not any action which will impede its removal!'

Fascist !

The above description would leave the UK open to invasion also. To say Iranians want their country invaded is a joke. They are patriotic and believe in the right to have they're own nuclear power. The dissidents to the power in iran tend to be the young that are attracted by western culture. Islam is going through change in Iran and will continue to sway between moderate and hardline for many years. Invasion is not required!

It's a win-win situation. Bombing starts tomorrow.

Despite what twilight says ( and I have a lot of respect for those words eventhough I found them hard to follow, comprehend or understand )I fully support and applaud human shields. These are people who practice what they preach, and will test their pacifism to the limit.