I thought that Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq before the Iraq war had the worst torture and human rights record in the world! It is strange how when Saddam was in power you never protested about that regime. Maybe because in your minds the West is the cause of all the worlds problems, ignoring the fact that the west donates countless billions in aid to the Third World. It is also a shame that the millions the government spends on university education turns out so many hate filled young people like you.

At the moment the claims made by that newspaper have not been proved even if you wish it was truth.
Let's not forget the "Mirror" scandal where actors posed as a Britsh troops to look as if they were mistreating prisoners.

Indymedia is a great idea and one that offers a true alternative to mainstream bullshitting journalism. But on the downside a lot of 12 yr olds like rex and concerned flood this site with their ill researched dumbass comments u would expect 12yr olds to write.

Wanna draw us a picture of a rainbow, the sun, a blue sky, and flying pigs while your at it??? Dont forget the sun always always smiles.

I'm not saying Saddam Hussein was a nice guy

but consider the
''rendition program'' now
and consider the
spin for war


now here is a numbers game
just one dead, anywhere is a disgrace, sure,
but
state sanctioned murder is still
happening here [de Menezes] and in Iraq
as Operation Steel curtain is underway
on the Syrian border

consider: Why would Blair need to exaggerate?
need to make him into a bogeyman?



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PM admits graves claim 'untrue'
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Sunday July 18, 2004

Downing Street has admitted to The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that '400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves' is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered. The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq's mass graves.

In that publication - Iraq's Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: 'We've already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.'

On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: 'The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.' The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports 'to the outer limits' in the case for the threat posed by Iraq. Downing Street's admission comes amid growing questions over precisely how many perished under Saddam's three decades of terror, and the location of the bodies of the dead.

The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses and murder on a large scale - not least in well-documented campaigns including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against Kurdish villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising - but serious questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein's murders. It comes amid inflation from an estimate by Human Rights Watch in May 2003 of 290,000 'missing' to the latest claims by the Iraqi Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, that one million are missing.

At the heart of the questions are the numbers so far identified in Iraq's graves. Of 270 suspected grave sites identified in the last year, 55 have now been examined, revealing, according to the best estimates that The Observer has been able to obtain, around 5,000 bodies. Forensic examination of grave sites has been hampered by lack of security in Iraq, amid widespread complaints by human rights organisations that until recently the graves have not been secured and protected. While some sites have contained hundreds of bodies - including a series around the town of Hilla and another near the Saudi border - others have contained no more than a dozen.

And while few have any doubts that Saddam's regime was responsible for serious crimes against humanity, the exact scale of those crimes has become increasingly politicised in both Washington and London as it has become clearer that the case against Iraq for retention of weapons of mass destruction has faded. The USAID website, which quotes Blair's 400,000 assertion, states: 'If these numbers prove accurate, they represent a crime against humanity surpassed only by the Rwandan genocide of 1994, Pol Pot's Cambodian killing fields in the 1970s, and the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.' It is an issue that Human Rights Watch was acutely aware of when it compiled its own pre-invasion research - admitting that it had to reduce estimates for the al-Anfal campaign produced by Kurds by over a third, as they believed the numbers they had been given were inflated.

Hania Mufti, one of the researchers that produced that estimate, said: 'Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based in part on circumstantial information gathered over the years.'

A further difficulty, according to Inforce, a group of British forensic experts in mass grave sites based at Bournemouth University who visited Iraq last year, was in the constant over-estimation of site sizes by Iraqis they met. 'Witnesses were often likely to have unrealistic ideas of the numbers of people in grave areas that they knew about,' said Jonathan Forrest.

'Local people would tell us of 10,000s of people buried at single grave sites and when we would get there they would be in multiple hundreds.'

A Downing Street spokesman said: 'While experts may disagree on the exact figures, human rights groups, governments and politicians across the world have no doubt that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and their remains are buried in sites throughout Iraq.' Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html
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The British MI6 establishes Operation Mass Appeal, a British intelligence mission "designed to exaggerate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction" in order to shape public opinion. The operation plants stories in the US, British, and foreign media from the 1990s through 2003. Intelligence used by Mass Appeal is said to be "single source data of dubious quality."


After the First Gulf War, the operation seeks to justify the UN sanctions policy. But after the September 11 attacks, its objective is to secure public support for an invasion of Iraq. The mission is similar to Operation Rockingham, another British intelligence disinformation program. Former US Marine intelligence officer Scott Ritter says in late in 2003 that he supplied Mass Appeal with intelligence while serving as UN chief weapons inspector from the summer of 1997 until August 1998 and that he met with British agents involved in the operation several times in both New York and London. -
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3227506.stm


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Revealed: how MI6 sold the Iraq war - Nicholas Rufford
 http://cryptome.org/mi6-psyop.htm
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Blair LIED thousand have died
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BBC cover story
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While the Joint Intelligence Committee advised Mr Blair that Saddam may have retained some old WMD from the original Gulf War, he was claiming publicly that Saddam had "stockpiles of major amounts of chemical and biological weapons."

When the JIC reported that intelligence was "limited" and based mainly on "assessment", Mr Blair said the matter was "beyond doubt."

Last Autumn Mr Blair also told the Hutton inquiry that he'd published the dossier "because there was a tremendous amount of information and evidence coming across my desk as to the weapons of mass destruction and the programmes associated with it that Saddam had."

Yet, the Ministry of Defence's chief WMD intelligence analyst at the time tells Panorama that the Prime Minister's comments "confused me.....Certainly no-one on my staff had any visibility of large quantities of intelligence of that sort."

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3850979.stm



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[the WMD dossier] conspiracy to defraud the British public
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"Why don't we issue it in the name of the JIC?
Makes it more interesting to the media"

from an e-mail by Daniel Pruce to Alistair Campbell
11th Sept 2002

used as evidence in the Hutton Report
inquiry into the death of Dr David C Kelly

 http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/cab/cab_11_0025to0026.pdf

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Hey, I though we all believed that the Washington Post and other mainstream media outlets were imperialist capatilist lackeys who would hide such incidents and were spinning (if not damn well fabricating) their stories to suit government agendas?

Twilight will appear in a minute and tell us its all a cunning double-bluff, doubtless due entirely to Blair.

I play with myself every night as I read grenade weekly. Am a sad lonely pathetic person who dreams of grandeur while I download porn mpgs of the internet