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INDYMEDIA MUST NOT BE allowed to be used by racists and imperalists

Politicalreader | 14.11.2005 11:04 | Analysis | Anti-racism | Indymedia | World


The racist and persistently offensive comments being allowed to be posted as 'comments' on anti-GW Bush pieces indicate an editorial policy on the parts of those who control the publishing sites. This has been pointe4d out before but the abuses continue. THIS pierce is addressing some of the racist 'icons' being promoted by the abusers to justify their attacks on a writer whom they racistly target because of the writer's name. They have ignored they contents of the Political Poetry of MUHAMMAD HAQUE.



Their 'English' words say it all
their hatred, their poison apall
All sense of decency
They bring indecency
Into all attempts at freeing the haters
From their hateful core. they're baiters
And spewers spouters of filth
Immoral gangs existing on stealth

They are blinder than the most unsighted
They are full of obscenity as benighted
Planes of waste hidden from ordinary view
The evil offspring of evil appear to view
Any even the most modest bid to liberate
Always missing the truth, prone to berate
Any curer of their cursed soulless egos
The evil beings unleash chorus of goes
In the direction of prophetic seers
The racists bid to derail the steers
Away from the focus of the world's woes
That is the thief Bush who breaks laws
Of nature laws of humanity laws of virtue
the evil ones on 'Indymedia' do pursue
The sayers of the truth and the callers
To righteous ways. The evil apallers
Wait submerged in the alleged anonymity of the net
To pounce on the freedom sayers with no regret...

What is the secret of these devilish elements?
They are united in the evil that also cements
Their links every day
They name call and say
That the universal eternal truth is undesirable
That the ways of the evil Bush is preferable

The true human liberation is not on
Evil rule must stay and must go on...

These same evil forces dominate the airwaves
And they lie to rob and to colonise. The raves
The evil ones enjoy as they peddle and plug
Each other and their plans preferring the thug
Of the day disguised as an alleged woman Polly
Bending the truth and bidding to sell the unholy
Source of the polluted stream of Guardian lies
The evil ones confessing now to their evil ties
Which for a century almost have lain concealed?
By the Guardian lying under the cover, sealed
In a liberal cloth doubly shielded by the 'trust'
As though the evil ones were not like the non-'Trust'
Daily Mail! Polly Toynbee has been the tool of the devil
Issuing certificates for all manner of baddies, evil
Doing her deed for the devil under the guise of gender
The devil cannot hide its colour nor any of its agenda
From the targets of the devil’s poison propaganda
It is Polly Toynbee that does the ‘best propaganda’
She has the gender she has the Guardian paper
Forgetting the Guardian is unfit even as a toilet paper
For the backing it gives to genocide mass murder
Across the world. Polly Toynbee follows Melanie
Phillips in the same venomous racist crusader cause
BOTH are creatures of the Guardian and the cause
Of racist view of the world that the Bushes so accept
The Guardian and the Daily Mail equally reject
The freedom fort almost all of humanity
A freed world to them is disaster, calamity..


Politicalreader

Comments

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Friendly advice

14.11.2005 11:48

Don't give up your day job - if you have one...

Only a fascist tells people what information the can and can't consume or be exposed to and expects every point of view expressed to affirm their own world view.

Qwerty


Evil?

14.11.2005 12:11

Ity would be nice to keep Indymedia free of ill structured,poorly-researched and ill-thought out pieces of 'rant'. I do not like Toynbee and Phillips either but your analysis seems a little medieval: Terms like 'Devi'l and 'evil' are nether constructive nor usefulunlessyour are discussing their etymology or cultural uses in termsof,say,news reporting! There seems to be a lot of reactionary quasi-liberal and dogmatic metaphysical garbage put forward on Indymedia ( usually in the form of abuse from people that have more in common with the Daily Mail than they would care to admit ( as does the Guardian )). Now if these people actually did some original work in researching the issues the talk about and get physically involved in terms of the ethics of day to day DIY / community culture, as well as not spending their lives preaching to the converted then 'we' (sic) might get off this trajectory of death by the corporations and have quality of life for all.

( not forgetting the sexually-frusrated trolls,MI5,loopy Nationalists and other timewasters )

spare me from bad poetry


same as always

14.11.2005 20:36

An article attacking The Guardian (Blair's main pro-war, anti-muslim propaganda outlet) and the Daily Mail, and guess what- the New Reich trolls are immediately screaming their outrage.

Of course, their comments always follow the form of "I'm not a New Reich troll, BUT...", and then we get the usual outraged blah, blah, blah that anybody attacking Blair and his Mass Media mouthpieces should be ignored.

It should be noted that a majority (or near majority) of comments made on articles here are thinly disguised pro-Blair and pro-New Reich in nature. This is very sad since it either implies that the majority of the readership of Indymedia comprises of Blair's goons (very likely given the confused purpose of Indymedia), or that too many people feel reluctant to participate (understandable, given the fear of identification via IP tracking).

Of course, it is always possible that since this site is of the left, and many normal Brits are clinging on to the pathetic idea that Old Labour might one day re-appear from the ashes of Blair's New Reich party, that such people are conflicted when it comes down to a concept of political identity. Control in Britain has long depended on the idea of "what church do you go to?","what football team do you support?","waht party do you vote for?" etc. What happens when people have to truly think for themselves, and come to terms with their own unique belief system? Free-thinkers have long been recognised because they are UNUSUAL. For the rest, the world of free-thinking seems like a very scary and confusing place. I think this has far more to do with why so many choose to remain silent. Unfortunately, such silence defaults to empowering those that are currently most powerful, and that means Blair and his goons.

twilight


Yet More Poetry

14.11.2005 22:08

A full stomach has not improved Mo's poetry at all.

FluffyMufti


bwahahahahahahaha

14.11.2005 23:54

As is typical of your critics, Mohammad, I am an imperialist. Troops under my command presently occupy Bhutan and Nepal. Tomorrow I shall strike at the United Arab Emirates.

...


Group Dynamics

15.11.2005 06:39

Indymedia does seem to be in decline, not because of the efforts of its main volunteer base who report pretty impartially in the central news column, but because it attracts the left's weirdest voices to its free-for-all news-wire. Conspiracy theories - my favourite being that one which held Peter Gabriel and Amnesty International jointly responsible for the end of civilisation; cruel slanging matches, macho posturing or just people with a poor understanding of progressive politics. It's sad to see the movement tear itself to pieces like this, but we have been here so many times before. Whether it's the Spanish rebellion, the early trade union movement, the womens, gay or anti-nuclear movements right through to today's anti-capitalists, group dynamics seem to repeat themselves and groups ebb away through internal wranglings. Perhaps this is just the way it goes, and if it means that it stops individual demagogues building a power base, then that's probably just as well.

Caz


Yoo Hoo, Twilight

15.11.2005 07:23


"It should be noted that a majority (or near majority) of comments made on articles here are thinly disguised pro-Blair and pro-New Reich in nature. "

I disagree. Many of the comments are instead critical of Twlight's unsubstantiated conspiracist laden spam or others who are long on conjecture, short on facts. Labelling us all as Blairite trolls rather than answering our points isn't helping.

Observer


;

15.11.2005 08:15

*Are* you Rick from the Young Ones?

English, no parentheses


not good.

15.11.2005 11:35

indymedia hasnt been the same for ages. i blame the g8. say what you like but dont complain when racism and facism are heavily criticised.................................................................

all poetry is good. ask a vogon.

a name


Meaningful disputes

15.11.2005 17:06

Caz - I disagree with you about the decline of Indymedia. Lively debate is a cause for celebration, not hand-wringing. That so many recent abuses of civil liberties in all forms, results in a great outcry of anger and outrage and sometimes, frustration must be a good sign. It's when we all bow in silent acceptance that we should be worried.

And yes - I think poetry is great! For the very reasons above.

Sam


Lively debate? Not likely.

15.11.2005 22:27

Oh that IMC were a hothouse of genuine debate and free speech. Unfortunately, comments regularly get deleted on here. Not just those that are "racist" and "imperialist", but those that are coherent, moderately expressed but just happen not to absolutely reflect the political outlook of the moderators.

IMC has nothing to lose, and much to gain, by instituting a proper membership system and allowing posters to stand by their comments, good or bad. Those with power deserve our opposition scrutiny, but we shouldn't be afraid to allow our own positions to be examined to the same standards too.

Zorro


Membership?

16.11.2005 08:14

Zorro - what do you mean by proper membership? I'm not being sarcastic - I don't understand. Won't membership amount to censorship in the end?
Look what happened to Bristol Indymedia. Sorry to create a storm with this comment, but since the police raid and seizure of the server, it's now a crap site. The volunteers do a fantastic job to keep it alive, but comments are hidden. I haven't managed to make any comments there myself due to some technical fault (having contacted them twice about this). Comments are clearly censored to avoid further police interest and activists rarely post there now.

Sam


Now I'm paranoid!

16.11.2005 14:55

I would be interested to hear more from Sam about what happened to Bristol Indymedia.

R2D2


Bristol Indymedia

16.11.2005 21:28

R2D2, you need to go to Bristol Indymedia and read the Server information (top left corner, last time I looked). It gives you a timeline of events. Some believe the whole thing started when a disgruntled poster (and ex-BIM volunteer) drew the cops' attention to a particular story. I expect they were already having a read themselves tho!

Sam


Indy Media Must Remain Open to Racists & Hate Mongers Too...

18.12.2005 16:04

Indy Media Must Remain Open to Racists & Hate Mongers Too...


So that we can learn about their mindset and strategies, and deal with them here and now.


Suppression will not gain victory over suppression - this is something that free expression must do.


Summery of Initial Post: Bad Idea! Let it be settled...

richard kobzey


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