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Support growing for boycott of BNP-supporter Paypal

Ketlan Ossowski | 20.11.2005 12:52 | Anti-racism

Paypal needs to be told that its support of the BNP will not be tolerated by those opposed to racism and fascism.

Support growing for boycott of BNP-supporter Paypal

Following the freezing of the accounts of the British National Party by British high street banks HSBC and Barclays, because of its racist views and its clear links with such nazi groups as the National Front and Combat 18, the BNP have resorted to using the internet-based banking service Paypal. Anxious to raise money for what it sees as a last-ditch fight in the May 2006 local council elections, the BNP is using Paypal for donations and as a way to easily shift money from place to place to pay for the thousands of leaflets and posters necessary for any campaign at local level.

For Nick Griffin, the current leader of the BNP, this election could be the final test of his leadership abilities. After their disastrous performances in the European and General Elections, the BNP membership will be expecting good results this time, particularly as the BNP has plenty of practice at jumping on local bandwagons (and of course, discarding them when they are no longer of use). If the BNP fails in May, Griffin will be out on his ear and the BNP will revert to its previous state of impotent (and overt) racism and political confusion.

The Asian Today, a free English-language newspaper that goes out to thousands of Asians throughout the Midlands, has produced an excellent article supporting the Lancaster UAF boycott of Paypal and encouraging readers to write to or email Paypal to demand action - primarily to throw the BNP out and thus stop Paypal's support of a clearly fascist organization. Paypal is now owned by eBay, a company that has responded to complaints in the past, so we know that a well co-ordinated boycott can be successful. It's now up to you to spread the boycott and make this company sit up and take notice.

How do we do this? By contacting Paypal repeatedly over this issue, by contacting our local MP and asking them to contact Paypal, by starting a campaign in our local newspaper, by spreading this message as far and as fast as we can. Just because Paypal isn't a High Street bank doesn't mean it's not vulnerable to pressure. Let's see what we can do with this. Let's get the BNP thrown off Paypal and watch where it goes from there. Its options are fast running out and without an easy way to generate and manage donations its financial condition will be disastrous.

According to Asian Today (Oct 28th/Nov 10th), Paypal are currently reviewing the issue of the BNP. Letters and emails pointing out that the BNP are in clear violation of the Offensive Materials Policy of the companies Acceptable Use terms will go a long way towards convincing Paypal that the BNP are more trouble than they are worth.

There are many ways of fighting the nazi menace that threatens all of us - this is one way that everyone with access to email or the internet can join in.

For more information, email Lancaster Unite Against Fascism at  zen26144@zen.co.uk or check out the Lancaster UAF blog at  http://82.69.12.18/lancasteruafblog/index.php?itemid=27

Paypal can be emailed directly at  ppelce@paypal.com or by visiting the complaints section of their main website at  http://www.paypal.com/ewf/f=complaint_eucomplaint&return_page=ppel_qa_pair

Let's get busy!

Ketlan
for Lancaster UAF

Ketlan Ossowski
- e-mail: zen26144@zen.co.uk
- Homepage: http://82.69.12.18/lancasteruafblog/

Comments

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20.11.2005 13:43

I thought you believed in freedom of speech. Surely someone can use banking services regardless of their political beliefs?

jo


NO, Jo.

20.11.2005 14:20

It's not like that at all. That's why we freeze the accounts of people trying to raise money for terrorism.

"Free speech" is not a good enough excuse to allow fascism any leeway.

naive liberals get in the way of progress


Tut Tut

20.11.2005 15:28

I disagree that this is an imfringment upon free speech! I think that the BNP are looking to infringe upon the rights of others and to use a lovely slogan "incite religious hatred". If companies like Paypal were found that have been used for a large terrorist group (although that may be so anyway) that asked for donations, they would be under huge amounts of pressure from the government straight away.

Tom


Other reasons to dump Paypal

20.11.2005 16:44

There were plenty of reasons not to use PayPal long before the BNP hopped into bed with them:
 http://www.paypalsucks.com/
 http://www.paypalwarning.com/paypal_wall_of_shame

Good alternatives:
 http://www.paypalsucks.com/options.shtml

Used (all satisfactory):
 http://www.bidpay.com
 http://www.neteller.com (based in London)

Not used, but know of others using them:
 http://www.propay.com
 http://www.bitpass.com
 http://www.firepay.com
 http://www.checkfree.com

Payandpayandpay, pal


Bye bye Nazi Stomper

20.11.2005 18:04

alas stomper you are a dying breed... but bless your little fash heart anyway... do you have any friends that arn't nazi thugs?

I strongly recommend the new harry potter film to all nazi's, especially those who post on stormfront, because it will really wind you up.... !even wizards hate the fash!

sinisterpenguin


stuff the BNP

20.11.2005 22:46

Just made my complaint, I've sold a grands worth of stuff since the summer, told them I'm going to stop using paypal if they dont tell the BNP to sling their 'ook.

mark


free speech?

20.11.2005 23:23

Would some of the posters here who criticised by question regarding free speech like to go to the post on David Irving? Skip most of the comments and just read the last few, then comment. The "leftists" there are all supporting David Irving against the evil persecution and infringement on free speech the evil Zionists are subjecting him too, perhaps you'd like to disagree with them. And perhaps they'd like to come here and defend the BNP?

jo


...

21.11.2005 08:31

Campaigns like this fail to address the real social problems which lead to support for dickheads like the BNP in isolated and alienated communities. Burnley and Oldham aren't that far from Lancaster geographically, but sociologically they're a world away.

No, I don't have any answers myself - and please don't think I'm a far-right apologist for wanting to make this point.

Hypnotised


poor logic ...

21.11.2005 09:01

... indeed to attempt to merge the distaste towards laws that infinge and remove the right to free spech with support for the bnp - who whilst not strictly fascist, are most definitly racist nationalists (ie scientifically unsound and living in the middle ages in terms of political reality).

I'm not sure that paypal can be forced in law - and would probably reject such a law - to abandon business with the political wing of british nationalism. Were it combat 18 or the national front, things would be diferent - both having crossed hte line into ilegal agitation long ago.

I hope soon, that eveidence will be brought to bear in a legal case against the bnp for incitement and ilegal activities - and then the burdon of action can be removed from paypal.

Meanwhile, we can assist their decision making process by showing our extreme distaste for the decisions they have made and attempt to force a ban through traditional campaign activities!

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


Very true

21.11.2005 09:12

Simply throwing toys out of the pram and screaming about evil the BNP are ignores the fact that a great many people actually support them — they up far more votes in the general election than Respect did, and if we had an electoral system that fairly reflected the number of votes cast for each cadidate we'd have up to half a dozen nazi MPs by now.

One of the major problems with taking on Griffin and co is that they actually use any criticism as a recruiting tool — witness the stream of bile about being a poor persecuted minority when they were charged with inciting racial hatred last year. I wouldn't be at all suprised if some BNP goon used the stick they get on here as material for their own campaigning: "the same people who say we shouldn't be allowed to exist CELEBRATE when our brave police and soldiers are MURDERED by evil muslim etc etc"...

If scum like this are ever to be truly defeated, we need to find out why they're so popular to begin with and offer a genuine alternative to people who feel their only choice is to vote for them. Simply branding anyone who does so an evil racist isn't enough.

FTB


...

21.11.2005 13:01

Hi Jo,

I don't think it is the 'leftists' on this site who are defending David Irving, but the BNP on this site, who unfortunately seem to be a constant presence, or the conspiracists, who don't define themselves as 'right-wing', but whose beliefs that a conspiracy consisting of Tony Blair, the Illuminati and the Jews are responsible for everything from 9-11 to Hurricane Katrina are the same sort of conspiracist views that the nazis possessed.
I am strongly anti-zionist, but there are people on this site manipulating the situation for their own hate-filled aims. We get all sorts here. We have socialists, anarchists and liberals, but also the zionist far-right ( Betar ) and the anti-zionist far-right. So keep your eyes open.

Hermes


jackslucid

21.11.2005 22:46

Jackslucid, in the case of David Irving he has been arrested for his Holocaust denial, which incites racial hatred and neo-Naziism, which is what it its motivated by. Here Paypal is simply letting customers use their service. It would be infringement of free speech if they were to say "Yes all customers can use our service, except the BNP, or Communists", or something like that. Services should be open to all regardless of political opinion. So if you were consistent you would vehemently oppose this, given your vehement opposition to the infringement on Irving's freedom to incite hatred.

And remember, the issue I was taking you to task on was your openly expressed sympathies and flirtations with Holocaust denial, stop hiding behind free speech claims.

jo


squeeze ...

22.11.2005 10:38

... us all into black and white boxes why not:

... "And remember, the issue I was taking you to task on was your openly expressed sympathies and flirtations with Holocaust denial, stop hiding behind free speech claims." ...

... that way, it will be easier for you to maintain unconditional support for the criminal reign of israel.

Meanwhile back on planet earth:

... free speech is free speech (ie an inalienable right not to be given as a privalige or removed as a punishment) ...

... whilst you and yours are busily deciding what we can and cannot say & think, those with an interest in maintaining historical untruths (funniliy enough those two old friends nazism and zionism!) exploit the confusion for their own ends ...

... if you have to sacrifice truth for your 'ism', I don't want to join in.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com


Freedom of association, not freedom of speech

22.11.2005 20:09

The issue is neither about free speech nor about taking action against fascism, or whatever you perceive the BNP to be. (For the record, I'd say that the BNP were fascists and I wouldn't do business with them.)

The issue is about private property and individual freedom of association. Paypal is a private business and it is their right to accept or decline anyone's business according to their own whim, whether it's arbitrary, consistent, logical or otherwise. Most especially, they retain that right whether you agree with them or not.

Of course, it's not just Paypal's right. It's everyone's right to associate with anyone they choose, within the law. We would be rightly offended if we were prevented from associating with anyone we chose, whether socially, commercially or politically. It's down to us, not anyone else.

Freedom of speech refers to the right of people to express themselves in public or in public fora without being limited by the state. It's something that I strongly support. People do not have a right to compel others to do business with them, or, of course, to provide a platform for their speech using their own private resources. Opinions differ on whether or not such a thing is desirable anyway for certain groups in certain contexts, but the point remains that it is not a right but a matter of individual choice.

I support anyone that wants to make their feelings known to Paypal, whether they support or oppose the BNP's use of the service. I also support anyone's decision to continue or discontinue using Paypal's service. We all want to support businesses we agree with with our money and refuse to trade with those we don't.

But remember that whether Paypal decide on the basis of principle, commercial expediency or public image, whatever they do will be upholding their own rights, not the BNP's. We all benefit from exercising those same rights every day.

Zorro


Free speech?

22.11.2005 22:24

'I'm not sure that paypal can be forced in law - and would probably reject such a law - to abandon business with the political wing of british nationalism.'

I wasn't suggesting any change in the law - simply an appeal to any sense of morality that Paypal or its corporate myrmidons may have tucked away somewhere.

'Campaigns like this fail to address the real social problems which lead to support for dickheads like the BNP in isolated and alienated communities...'

Of course, and in this particular case, it's not intended to. The societal problems that lead to a rise in fascism are enormously complex and embrace almost every subject under the sun. This is just one tiny campaign though, in a sea of campaigns to right wrongs. The fact that Paypal, by its provision of services to the BNP, tacitly supports its activities, is just one of many issues that those who oppose fascism are embracing. If the campaign is successful and Paypal dumps the BNP and thinks again before taking on a similar group, it has achieved a small victory that's worth having. And if, in the process, the BNP is caused some financial headaches, well, that's worth having too.

PS Thanks Mark - and anyone else who writes. There's a better link here:  http://www.paypal.com/ewf/f=pps_prohib which leads straight to the appropriate complaints page form.

Ketlan


martyrs

24.11.2005 14:36

You wanna know why the BNP is getting support? because of brain-dead morons like the above UAF. Way to go in turning the BNP into martyrs.

zzzzzzzzz


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