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Israel deserves better

Digery Cohen | 21.11.2005 11:55

The Psycho and Peres are useless.

The psycho in action
The psycho in action


Israel deserves better.

The people of Israel deserve better than The Psychopath of Sabra and Peres.

Their new party, called ‘Selbst Alleine Zion’, which is Yiddish for ‘Zion Alone’
will be worse than even the Likud.

Peretz is the only hope for Israel.

The Psychopath and his criminal family with their lackey, Peres, will never bring peace to Israel.

Peres is just a mouth that could not even win an election in his own family.

Their future election would condemn Israel to years of suicide bombs and dead children.

It is time for Israel to live in peace with the Palestinians.

This is possible.

All Israel has to do is withdraw from the West Bank, forget about Jerusalem and let the refugees from all of Palestine back to the West Bank with full compensation for their ethnic cleansing since 1948.

The Israelis can build another Jerusalem, like Solomon did, but this time beside the sea in Tel Aviv.

Surely they could build, with modern technology, a beautiful temple there and live in peace for once in millennia.

The brightest and most talented people on earth could then return to their high values and knowledge which they had before we, the Europeans, burned 6,000,000 of our best citizens 65 years ago.

They cannot forgive us for that. I know that.

But they must make peace with their Palestinians neighbours and live in peace with their emetic brothers with whom they have so mush in common.




Digery Cohen
- e-mail: Digerycohen@yahoo.co.uk

Comments

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how about where they came from in the first place?

21.11.2005 13:49

Digery Cohen you said and i quote

"...let the refugees from all of Palestine back to the West Bank .... "

How about letting them return to where they lived before 1948? That being what is now, Israel but was once Palestine.

Why should be allowed just to the West Bank and not their home where they were ethnically cleansed from in 1948? That is where they should be allowed to return to and live.

Right of Return to all Palestinians


Israel and Palestine

21.11.2005 16:00

It's ammusing to think there are still people who think the problems of the area are still related to 1948, land claims, Jewish / Palestinian right of return and all the others.

We all need to come to terms with the facts. This is about money, lots of money. The reason Northern Ireland took so long to deal with was because nobody could talk about in public what was the major stumbling block to peace, the money being made by both Loyalist and Republican sides in areas such as drugs, protection and gambling. The situation is similar in Israel and the Palestinian areas. Israeli industry needs an ongoing 'defence threat' to allow it continue to make equipment for the IDF, The PLO, Hamas and the other groups need a continuing conflict to justify their control of overseas funding and the lifestyles supported by it.

In the same way senior sectarian leaders in Northern Ireland had pretend jobs created for them to enable the UK government to pay them money to live on a similar process must be created for both sides in the Middle East. Clinton recognised this with his suggestion of a "Council of Control" but this failed because Arafat still wanted to play Palestinian President.

Pay these people off and let's start saving lives

Jeff


Yes there was no Palestine in 1948

21.11.2005 17:29

But there was no Israel either. My question is what gave Israel teh right to exist and why didnt the same people give Palestine teh right to exist. Instead they have allowed Israel to constantly expand into land occupied by Palestinians and violate resolution upon resolution.

Im not of the opinion that Israel shouldnt exist but israel should definately recognise the borders set to it and exit from the places where it commits crime upon crime against Palestinians.

some people


Last I checked

21.11.2005 20:46

Israel has not been attacked by any of them for over 20 years now and on the other hand has occupied Lebanon, a part of Jordan, and almost all of what should be Palestine whilst managing to go against the UN on over 70 listed occasions. So. Israel is not in danger o being invaded, and still occupies Palestinian land. As for figures of casualties, dont even try to compare Israeli deaths over Palestinian ones.

So cmon whats your excuse now?

any good ones?


WTF??!

21.11.2005 22:27

My last comment was in response to some1 defending Israels stance to the Palestinians.
Why has this persons comment been removed? This is supposed to be a discussion in an unbiased media project? I didnt agree with what he/she said but every1s views should be heard without a shadow of a doubt? What the fuck u playing at indy?

??!!


Relinquished Annexed Territories

21.11.2005 22:36

" So. Israel is not in danger o being invaded, and still occupies Palestinian land"

That's only because Jordan and Egypt realize that trade is better than war. And, Syria has been very busy with it's own OCCUPATION of Lebanon.
Besides, once Egypt and Jordan annexed "palestinian" land, it became theirs. Both relinquished claim to the territories when they were defeated during the Six Day War, and refused to negotiate. You must also remeber that Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt. So now, the "palestinians" have Gaza But in reality, Egypt will take control. Most Gazans alive today were born after the Egyptian occupation, they don't know what they're in for, Egypt has never been as kind as Israel has to the "palestinians".

Alois Brunner


to "some Palestine"

21.11.2005 22:41

You said that an Israel was created but not a Palestine. But the UN resolution created both an Israel and a Palestine, two-states living side by side. The Jews accepted the judgement of the world, the Arabs refused it, vowed to annihiliate the Jewish state and take it all for themselves. Israel, however, won the war, and the planned Palestinian state's territory came partially under the control of Israel and partially under Jordanian and Egyptian control. Neither of those Arab states created a Palestine. There would have been one, tho, had the Arabs accepted the UN's two-state recommendation.

jo


Free Speech: Only if you Tow the Line

21.11.2005 22:49

Fascism is alive and well. Dissentig voices will be stifled...peace out

Alois Brunner


Where they came from?

22.11.2005 07:10

You ask "how about where they came from in the first place?"

Oh there's a great idea!

All the Jews who were expelled from Iran could go back there, the Jews of Syria would no doubt be welcomed with open arms and the Jews of Egypt could pick up where they left off...

You idiot.

Although written as clever satire, this article:  http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=307 pretty much sums up how deluded your fantasies of Israel really are.

As for the Palestinian history - there isn't one. If you disagree, I defy you to name a SINGLE Palestinian leader prior to Yasser Arafat. You can't, as opposed to Jews who can trace unbroken presence since before Jesus.

That's in case you want to discuss history. How about you concentrate on the present instead? The present reality, is there are a bunch of Palestinian Arabs and a bunch of Jews. They could co-exist peacefully, were that palatable to the Palestinians. Regrettably it isn't, and like every Arab country that tried to destroy Israel, they will continue to be losers until they can get use to the idea that Jews should be allowed to live.

Baba


" This is supposed to be a discussion in an unbiased media project?"

22.11.2005 10:53

"Inherent in the mainstream corporate media is a strong bias towards Capitalism's power structures, and it is an important tool in propagating these structures around the globe. While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity"
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/mission.html

The comments functions allows everybody to correct or add to posts. Quite often, comments are used for quick discussions or rants, in a way that would be more suited for a discussion forum like libcom or urban75. Some comments seem to be designed to discourage, disinform and undermine activists.
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/11/328181.html

No claims to "free speech" - in fact the claim is to an acknowledged subjectivity and in no way is the newswire meant to be a bulletin board, nor is it meant to be a purveyor of crappy hasbarah, fascist or anti-semitic comments.

Go find a bulletin board......

Hasbarah has enough homes


youre not v clever

22.11.2005 12:00

Obviously from the minute that Indy is a collective media tool whichchallenges the mainstream and delivers the news that they hide will always be anti capitalist. This is what we believe. That doesnt mean that we wont allow discussions and all points of view to be heard. Unlike all the other media which reports the lamest of news andhides the teal ground stories which is what journalists should really report on.

As for the guy who thinks Israel treats Palestinians well. tell that to the thousands of Palestinian men women and children who have died from Israels ccupying army over the past 30-40 years. They dont have the right to be there. the oslo treaty is being constantly violated by Israel not withdrawing from the occupying territories as agreed in 92. And lets not even start comparing civillian death toll coz thats when ul find out who ther real fascists are.

Sharon-Israel murderous PIGS


Assault on the Intellect

22.11.2005 17:57

"And lets not even start comparing civillian death toll coz thats when ul find out who ther real fascists are."

Certainly, we shouldn't discuss fatalities caused by the bloody intifda. It would shed a poor light on the "palestinians" and we never want to do that.
It would reveal that the palestinians target civilians. Use their own children as explosive delivery devices. Add "shahids" to the list of causualties. Fabricate "massacres". And the fact that the "palestinins" have used the tried and true tactic of surrounding weapons caches and "brave" warriors with civilians, both women and children.
It would also show that the Israelis have shown remarkable restraint in the face of a deadly enemy.
It would also remind us of Black September, where Jordan slaughtered more palestinians in three weeks than all of those killed during their 60 year war against Israel.
It's not a game of checkers.

Arthur Kennedy


President Ahmadinejad was right

22.11.2005 18:52

Israel should be wiped off the map. The sooner the better. It is the most evil country that has ever existed and we would not have these problems in the World if it wasnt for that shitty country.

Ultra Anarchist


JFK??

22.11.2005 22:00

Well kennedy if the shooting of 5 yr olds is showing resraint and the illegal occupation of a foreign recognised land is something good then you need to get your head checked. and since u really wanted to bring up the civilian casualty rate of Israel Palestine
 http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/arccrisis/ispal-casualty.html

stop putting your foot in it

FKU


Hama Rules

22.11.2005 23:01

"Well kennedy if the shooting of 5 yr olds is showing resraint and the illegal occupation of a foreign recognised land is something good then you need to get your head checked."

The territories are disputed. Affter 20 years of illegal occupation and colonization, both the Jordanians and Egyptians relinquished their claims to the lands they invaded and annexed.
Foreign recognised? The lands in question were held by the Ottomons for 400 years, by the UK for 20, by Jordan and Egypt for 20yrs and by the "palestinians" never....
Regarding the shooting of a five year old...both sides are guilty of those crimes. Or is it only justified when a brave warrior of Islam shoots 2 year old at point blank range in the face.
And yes, Israel has shown remarkable restraint, considering that they are so well armed.
Perhaps you would prefer if Israel played by what is known as "Hama Rules", it seemed to work quite well for the Syrians and no one seems to mind.

Arthur Kennedy


Oh he was right was he?

23.11.2005 10:06

"Israel should be wiped off the map. The sooner the better. It is the most evil country that has ever existed and we would not have these problems in the World if it wasnt for that shitty country."

Good idea Ultra Anarchist - then we can return to the peaceful state the world was in before 1948!

Jewish & Proud


Disputed?

23.11.2005 12:26

Read the olso treaty and find out what your disputed territories really are. Israel should have withdrawn from these 'disputed' territories ages ago according to the treaty which Israel signed. But hey whats the violation of a treaty when the same country has already violated over 70 UN resolutions. Just another one to add to their collection.

P.S ULTRA ANRACHIST?? ULTRA FASCIST more like it. Anarchists dont believe in countries remember. u obviously dont have a clue.

Dispute this


Have the palestinians honored ANY Treaty?

23.11.2005 16:49

"Read the olso treaty and find out what your disputed territories really are. Israel should have withdrawn from these 'disputed' territories ages ago according to the treaty which Israel signed. But hey whats the violation of a treaty when the same country has already violated over 70 UN resolutions."

To begin with, the UN resolutions are all non-binding. Now regarding the Oslo Accord...what did the Palestinian side do to honor the treaty? Absolutely nothing. What was their response to the Camp David meetings? War, bloody intifada....

When do you think the UN will propose a resolution condemning the use of children by the palestinians as explosives? When do you suppose attacks on Israeli civilians will be condemned? The answer of course, is never. That's why israel defends herself, and pays little heed to the "international" community Jews have realized, after 2000 years of abuse that the "international" community prefers them to be dead.

Arthru Kennedy


well

23.11.2005 22:08

Well actually you are wrong at everything u say.

Arafat has never been linked with the 2nd Intifada (post oslo 1992) There has never been any proof that the Palestinian government funded or supplied the violent ressistance in Palestine. Thererfore in theory the oslo agreement was kept by the Palestinian elected government. Whereas the Israeli government did the opposite. It expanded further into Palestinian land and has killed far more Palestinian civillians than vise versa. Now lets take the other claim that Palestinians use children as suicide bombers. U find me the evidence coz the only thing i remember hearing was one incident where the israeli authorities caught some1 attempting to blow themselves up at a checkpoint and said the person was aged 9. 1 day later he was 11. then 15. and finally 18. Kind of like the de Menenzes shooting. Weraing a coat and ruksack and running. then no coat, then no sack, and then he was actually walking even stopping to get the paper. Fascist regimes act alike.

your turn


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