Yeah, but first, Hezbollah, the Moslem entity invaded Israel...

Cause and effect, dontcha know...

The cause ... zionism and the cult of jewish supremicism over 'humans'

The effect ... the total destruction of zionism and zionists.

You bought it upon yourselves ...

Hey aluha fubar, Israel unlawfully occupies the sheeba farms (which is Lebanese territory) since eons.

"How would you explain the motives of someone who withdraws from South Lebanon and stays in Shebaa, regardless of the motives, or UN Resolutions 242 and 425? It’s talk. If they withdrew to resolve the problem, then why did they stay in another place and maintain the problem ?

Rafik Hariri, 2003 June 05.

 http://www.rhariri.com/news.aspx?ID=1511&Category=Interviews

Ask yourself:

IF Israel and the U.S. were about to attack Iran or Syria, would Israel keep all its military hardware in Israel (inside the Green Line), where it would be an easier target for counterattack, or would it find excuses to move its weapons into the occupied territories and Lebanon, where Palestinians and Muslims would be de facto human shields?

IF Israel and the U.S. were about to attack Iran or Syria, wouldn't the most strategic location for Israel's ground forces be in the occupied territories, adjacent to many Muslim countries that might be tempted to come to Iran's aid (Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia)?

"Hey aluha fubar, Israel unlawfully occupies the sheeba farms (which is Lebanese territory) since eons."

Pssst - shaaba farms is former Syrian Territory. Captured from SYRIA as a result of THEIR aggression in the Six Day War...Hezbollah OCCUPIES southern Lebanon and has for some years now. Although Syria withdrew from their 30 year OCCUPATION of Lebanon, they support hezbollah as their surrogate army in Lebanon.

At a UN groep meeting in Carmarthen the proposal that Palestinians and Jews live together in a State of Anarchy was rejected by both the man from the Israeli Embassy and the Spokesman for the Palestinians.

I knew a Jew who rejected his jewishness because he did not like the method by which Jews established a cleat title to Israel - Genocide. Read your Old Testament which is pretty straight Jewish History. I suppose I should look to see what Josephus says on that too.

How do we persuade both those antagonists that it is time to put the past behind them, that Israel has fully repaid its debt to Hitler for enabling its refounding, Fascism must not be the only answer.

if Moses was really an egyption radical chic or perhaps even the Pharoah Akhetaten the "new religion" that he
laid on the people who were to become the jews was Atenism.
The jews are nothing other than an off shoot tribe of Egyptions and the only difference is that they are very partial to banking. could this be why all the banks use egyption/ masonic symbols.
Take the oldest bank in the world the MPS of Siena (Blair takes his holidays with them)
the bank was founded in 1472 and the siena was completed shortly after that date.
The first thing you see when you walk into the bank err sorry I mean the duomo / cathedral right in front of you
as part of the floor is Hermes Trismisgistus giving the law to Moses .. HT represents the Egyption god Thoth
although most Italians call him an (the original) alchemist.
It's safe to say that the same people who founded the bank (two hundred years before the dutch founded the bank of england) also built the cathedral. Not forgetting of course that Florence and the medici were also
bankers and popes which makes them the most powerfull people in that time.
Now why is the catholic church obsessed with large obelisks, there are thirty in rome ?
One next to the white house and many more all over the world ?
banking and egyption symbolism go hand in hand and bankers control the world.
don't give me any of that anti semitic shit cos I am not in the slightest bit interested in jews israel and
all the cock n'bull stories surrounding it / them

It's what he thinks of you and zionists in general. I've tried to calm him down, but he says enough is enough.

He seems to think that a fitting end to the racist monstrosity that is zionist is-un-real might come from his own paws.

What can you do?

All his mates from the animal kingdom agree with him, so I'm not going to intervene as its best to get out of the way of a determined pack of animals (sorry I mean non humans, goyim) who seek revenge on murders rapists and theives.

No justice, no peace, no israel.

Why hide your armchair general dehumanisation behind sanitized graphics.

This is what you are really advocating.

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 http://poetry.rotten.com/failed-mission/

Grow up!

... what is funny though (in a peculiar sense) is that you seem to want to show us the disgusting results of the continual attack on muslim and arab peoples from the west and zionists ...

Of course, anger at this & the potential for responding in defence, have been neutered by the belief that this dispute can be treated with equanimity ... that it is un PC and abborrant to middle class revolutionaries to suggest that people defend themselves from those that have no qualms and face no censure from a complient and lazy media.

Well fuck that for a game of cards ... my cat has more sense than that and speaks beyond the comfortable assumptions of those far behind the lines, to those that would get up off their arses and fight for what is right and for that which allows us to survive as free people (and felines).

Why don't you grow up and abandon the childish belief that you can stop a zionist from theft rape and murder by putting a flower in the barrel of his amerikan donated rifle.

Or then again, perhaps it doesn't bother you.

Sure, you can boycott and otherwise militate against the state of zion - in fact we must - but it is lame and insulting to the intelligence to suggest that we can do no more.

Esculation is a TWO way street ... so just remember who started what when they stole such and such from so and so & killed raped and stole in the process.

Naturally though, I must try and avoid relying on my cat for sole council, and would welcome and respect any well put together arguments that seek to diffuse with non violence ... but in the absence of that I'm putting my head above the barrikades and shouting

... 'Resistance is encumbant on us' ...

or, more to the point:

... 'without resistance, we will be crushed by the meciless zionist war machine'

Do you know how to boil a frog alive?

That is to say, how to do the ultimate violence against it without it reacting?

Compare and contrast the situation on the ground in Palestine, the muted international response to collective punishemnt and slow genocide, the neutered fluffy philosophies of armchair revolutionaries (if I'm to be called an armchair camp guard - which is of course no more than a subtle attempt to put the old 'nazi' tag on any that dare to raise their voice against zionism) ...

Now, I'm beginning to understand your proto-intellect.

Why would I use pictures of predominately Arabs/Muslims. Could it be that A:) I sympathise with them and B:) I wanted to avoid looking like some bigot by only picturing dead civillians killed by "matyrs" or IDF?

I have no gripes with SELF defence. I have BIG gripes with targetting civllians (terrorism) whether they be Arab, Jewish, Britsh, Asian, American or Persian. Likewise, I take a very dim view of people who seem to think there is any glory in the Middle East situation and that it will be solved by the killing of Zionists... just as the Zionists believe that the eradication of Palestine is ultimately virtuous and excusable.

My point is that I think if you like to support shooting people with an AK-47 then you should regularly stare the REAL deal in the face instead of making stupid jokes about it.

In fact, I think if you care so much to support killing, you should peel your fat arse of your swivel chair and get yourself off to Gaza to do it yourself... or at least witness it first-hand then come back and be so glib about human suffering and carnage.

Am I still sounding like a bourgoise hippy, or are you sounding like another armchair general at the Battle of the Dorritis.

Go on soldier, if you feel so righteous in playing the Angel of Death, bear your arms yourself! Where's are your guts?

... of assumptions you make.

You have "gripes with targetting civllians" - so? Do you imagine that resistance to zionist aggression naturally involves killing civilians? Or that warfare can be fought like a game, where, despite the untrammeled aggression used against one side, the otherside stops for afternoon tea?

And for the assumption that those resisting take 'glory' in having their lives totally shaped by their enemies ... well, if that is your opinion, you are pretty wide of the mark.

I apologise for assuming that the nature of the pictures you linked indicated that you might be less than neutral(ish).. It was wrong of me, I am used to having to defend every word of defience, resistance and condenmnation from zionists and their continual verbal assults and blatent lies and manipulation.

... you assume that I have no personal history of the 'real deal' of death. Wrong. Very.

... you assume I have a fat arse and that it is necessary to peel it away from chairs in general or computers (implied) ... actually I am skinny, fidgity and active ... at this moment exclusively non-violent (to life forms). This may change.

You don't sound "like a bourgoise hippy". I apologise. I can see that you are sincere in your beliefs.

I am a little more than angry at the moment.

Perhaps my point ultimately is that I am fed up with the glib dismissal of resistance movements for having the desire not to be victims - even if that involves firing ak47s at the enemy.

I can't really see that the ghastly problem of racist supremacist zionist aggression can be talked away ... therefore the answer - however unpalletable to young westerners and their fine history of non-violent resistance - might have to involve armed struggle.

Finally, it makes no sense for you to decry [my] attitude of considering violence by goading me into it: "All talk and no walk". Are you saying if I displayed some 'harder' credentials that you would respect me and my position more?

Confusing!

PS my cat was only articulating what a lot of genuine people are feeling at the moment. He used the medium of comedy to express himself. He now realises that his young audience should not have to be exposed to such strong ideas and regrets the offense given (... he is shooting me very filthy looks now, I'd better finish here).

Have a read of this  http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm

If I'm on cloud cuckooland for opposing the targetting of civillians, I guess that makes me a stooge for the Red Cross/Crescent and their dubious political agenda.

If you think that killing is a joke, it's you that's a kid here. Like, I said go there and witness it first hand and then see if it's still funny. And if you're going to talk the killing talk, walk the killing walk... and then come back here and crack jokes about it.

I rather think you'd probably like most people not have the guts and if you did would be traumatised for life by the experience.

I'll add:

Grow up or shut uparmchair warrior!

... repeating your assumptions does not a conversation make.

Having missed every point addressed to you, I am begining to think that you have an agenda.

Perhaps you might consider re-reading the last few posts and imagine that you have the capacity to be wrong.

Beyond saying that I am supporting the targetting of civilians (why would someone make such a baseless assumption?), you seem to think you both more moral and older than me (at least mentaly). What nature of argument are these? Poor.

You have not analysed what has been put in front of you. There can be nothing further said until you do - if only because you have said very little inbetween your tirades.