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Marxists wreck productive body

Roberto Viera | 20.09.2006 19:49 | Analysis | Globalisation | Workers' Movements

K. Marx and Ricardo states that wages not depend on production but in necessaries that tippify a slavery society not a mercantil systm. This conducts a marxists in govern to destroy productive system and to serve as clerks of financier capital.


By Roberto Viera
 frvieral@yahoo.com

K. Marx, in commodity analysis respect to productive process, hangs on D. Ricardo jacket, who was stock exchange gambler. D. Ricardo defines commodity exchange value thus:

“The value of a commodity, or the quantity of any other commodity for which it will exchange, depends on the relative quantity of labour which is necessary for its production, and not on the greater or less compensation which is paid for that labour”. On The Principles of Political Economy and Taxation, London: John Murray, Albemarle-Street, by David Ricardo, 1817, (third edition 1821)

In this definition D. Ricardo disconnect commodity value from that is paid to worker, that is to say, commodity value does not depend on the greater or less compensation which is paid for that labor, according to Ricardo. This sentence typify more a slavery type society that a mercantile society. For to check how far out is from reality, is sufficient to refer to some events known for any person who is related to manufacturing.

Stint work implicates dependence of wage from value quantity created for worker

When a commodity is sold in function of his production cost, his value depends on wage paid to worker.

In the same production center, wages can to fluctuate till 20 to 1 times, and entrepreneurs are not characterized for give away wage.

But the meant of Ricardo speech is referred to capitalists’ wishes that people work only for necessaries and don’t touch “his revenues”. Also, this can be understanded as a despotic way to fall of workers auto esteem and to block capacity of negotiation. This statement represents ideology of financier capital that doesn’t dirty his hands with “production”. This concept was applied by Ricardo in British parliament to fight against some persons that propose a tax to steam looms cui fund would went for unemployed weavers. Also Ricardo advocate against a law that destine funds to educate worker’s sons.

K. Marx writes in Capital, in long texts, some times in mockery, other times in fun, only for to tell that wage depends on necessaries and not on value produced, that is, repeat Ricardo’s definition.

Ricardo’s definition is also negative is we consider that talent is distributed randomly in population, and workers are more numerous. This is that don’t pay workers in relation with job’s produce or value created by them, his creativity is blocked. When this definition is decanted in prejudices, actuates against innovations.

No retribution of workers and consequent blockade of innovations, also would explicate socialist countries deplorable productive performance, guided for marxist ideology. China, Cuba, Vietnam, socialist Marxist Leninist countries in this moment serve as cheap man power suppliers to big American corporations, after of to destroy his country proper industries. Marxist Leninist governing destroy wage structure in countries, according to they, capitalism (and transition step to socialism) functions paying to workers alimony and necessaries and not according to work value created in productive process. In this form Marxists wreck productive body

Roberto Viera
- e-mail: frvieral@yahoo.com
- Homepage: http://http:www.sobrevive.i8.com

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Incomprehensible bollocks

20.09.2006 22:13

This is a pile of unfathomable crap (and before any anarchists etc jump to the bait, I don't mean cos the author does not have English as his first language),

It is also not news.

Please remove and bin!

Marxist


Reply to Marxist

20.09.2006 23:12

1. Marx did not write in English

2. Haven't you got a gulag to run?

Bakunin


Fuck middle class anarchists like Bakunin

21.09.2006 04:53

If you can't speak English, don't try to appeal to the English working class.

QED

You end up looking like a moron, like most anarchists.

A1 Marxist


Reply to Marxist

21.09.2006 09:01

Dear Mrs Ceausescu

1. The English Working Class read Indymedia? What drugs are you on and can I have some?

2. Bakunin was born upper class, not middle class, get your fact straight, but as a Marxist there is no danger of that, is there?

3. Marx a proletarian?, Lenin a proletarian?, Trotsky a proletarian?, Stalin a proletarian?, Mao a proletarian?, Pol Pot a proletarian?

4. As a committed Marxist have you got your servant up the duff like Karl did then?

5. Funny how the working class in Eastern Europe love Marxism so much isn't it?

6. If you are working class how come you are so obsessed with spelling and grammar?

7. Haven't you got a famine in the Ukraine to organise?

Sorry I would like to heap more ridicule on a murderously evil ideology little different in practice to fascism, but I got to leave my council flat and be a wage slave.

Feel free to come back for more abuse if you want it and have a good day shooting peasants.

Michael Bakunin

Bakunin


Re-read my first comment, idiots

21.09.2006 10:52

I specifically said that I was not criticising the author's lack of English language skills but his bizarre argument, which SEEMS to be that communist states provide cheap labour for capitalism. So replying to the point I was pointing out that I wasn't making just shows what twats you are.

By the way, I didn't write the second comment. That was some other Marxist, who I thank for his or her unity.

But to return to the original point, how is this news? A pro-Marxist diatribe would have been deleted quicker than you can say 'hierarchy'.

Marxist


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