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On Global Warming

debate coach | 06.03.2007 10:29 | Bio-technology | Climate Chaos

GLOBAL WARMING: THE TRUTH. AND WHAT THE TRUTH MEANS



Green Myths On Global Warming — Debunked
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1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming
FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from groundstation readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.

2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die
FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn't reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.

3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high).
FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind's help.

4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate.
FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!

5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth.
FACT A report in the journal 'Science' in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What's more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.

6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet
FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.

7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through 'global warming'
FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.

8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes.
FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are 'just another tax' on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.

9 MYTH Scientists on the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issue reports that say 'global warming' is real and that we must do something now.
FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings.
The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.

10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true.
FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.
Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public ... as H L Mencken said "the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" ... the desire to save the world usually fronts a desire to rule it.

debate coach

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Tony's world is a steaming pile of shite!

06.03.2007 11:20

Many thanks for the crystal clear enlightening facts and myths.

These stealth taxes are just so unnecessary unless they wanted to create a climate of economic slavery to the almighty pound/yen/dollar by the masses.

This kind of logic makes the masses believe that their is no hope and we have gone too far and are doomed, whereas the opposite is true.

There is always hope and the truth always finds its way into the light.

Thanx again for making their lies so easy to understand.

When people are scared.... they are so much easier to lead and control.

When will the sheeple wake up and learn about humanity and humankind and the real world, not this Hollywood illusion of crap they are selling?

Bollocks to Blair and his idiotic cronies!

Charity XXX

Charity Sweet
mail e-mail: charitysweet@hotmail.co.uk


and

06.03.2007 12:08

and, 500 million years ago when the concentration of CO2 was 18 times the level it is today there were STILL people skating on the Thames, making snowmen in the Sahara and chipping icicles of their bananas.

Zagovor


your head is stuck in the sand

06.03.2007 12:18

So you think the goverments of the world made it up? your explanations are not science. What about the pollution of the planet that is 100% manmade that is linked to our lifestyle. you dont give any solutions.
boohoo taxes! you people are stupid the goverment has not made up global warming to tax us, if this was the case how come petrol/deisel is cheaper (in realterms) than 30 years ago. and what about solar power do you think that is bad? or looking for alternative clean energy sources is that bad ? no it is what we should be doing. your pseudoscience views (they are not facts) are crazy. you say 96% of co2 is from natural sources even if this were true the earth can cope with natural thing but not the pace of man made emmisions. we have to slow down and live more simply and stop making profit for the sake of profit a pointless excercise which is becoming apparent as the stock markets of the world tumble and crash!!!!!!!

mr green


Yup

06.03.2007 12:44

A question.

What's the difference between a steaming McTurd burger and this post?


Answer

You get a choice of sources with the burger.


Facts without sources = twat on the internet making shit up.

Good work

Earth Basher


i can say anything i want on global warming etc..

06.03.2007 12:55

no references. no back-up data.

and the oregon petition?? come on...

a waste of indymedia space.

simon


yet another steaming pile of junk science

06.03.2007 14:30

So just who is paying you to post this pseudo scientific crap?

1 What percentage of groundstations were giving inaccurate readings? Where are your facts?

2 Here is a much more accurate experiment. Take your bowl of water as before. Put in a brick so that part it stands above the water level and label it Antartica. Put in another one labeled Greenland. Pile up some ice on each of the bricks and mark the water level. When the ice has melted, what happens to the level?

3 Fact: atmospheric CO2 levels were far higher than they are now before factories etc but that was billions of years ago not long after the earth had formed and even before green plants had come along to totally transform the world with the oxygen rich atmosphere of today. Just how deliberately misleading can you get?

4 Another deliberately misleading 'fact'. The usual - blame it on forest fires and volcanoes thing. There is a regular flow of CO2 that is absorbed by green plants and that is then released when they die and decay. Volcanoes also release CO2 but this is carbon that has been subducted from organic material from the ocean floor. However mankind is pumping out fossil carbon. The stuff that has been safely locked out of the atmosphere by being buried as oil or coal for tens of millions of years. So we are adding extra carbon into the cycle that it cannot stabilise.

5 Not on any of the graphs of temp/CO2 that I have seen. I notice that you are not giving references for any of your 'facts'. Could this be because they come from such flakey sources - such as the association of british drivers website - that they would never stand up to scrutiny.

6 Yes well 'fact' 4 was complete garbage now wasn't it?

7 Now you are sounding like Piers Corbyn the well known climate change denier

8 Once again based on 'fact' 4 which is garbage so just ignore.

9 Politicians telling climate scientists what to do? Of course that would not be anything like the Bush government suppressing all reports on climate change by its own scientists. Or energy companies like Exxon Mobil paying a few corruptible scientists to come up with a load of garbage about climate change not happening.

10 Ah yes. That was the website that allowed absolutely anyone with a web browser to pretend to have a quadruple PhD in climate science, glaciology etc and state that in their 'expert' opinion, climate change is a myth. No verification needed at all. And as for keeping the populace alarmed, your heros the neo cons are doing just that by claiming there are terrorists under everyone's bed so justifying us bombing the middle east so we can steal all their oil.

a scientist


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Facts not wanted here on Indymedia

06.03.2007 17:10

As much as I admire "debate coach" and his/her attempt to educate. This is flogging a dead horse as far as the average Indymedia reader is concerned. They "know" about Climate Change so any facts which give the true picture are quickly written off and marked as "spin" and "greenwash".

The fact that European governments have latched on to this debate as a quick and easy way to raise taxes and Big Oil has been able to use it as a justification for inflated oil prices seems to have been forgotten, not understood and / or ignored.

Rarely has an issue been so badly misunderstood since Catalytic Convertors (which increased polution)

Of course by writing this I will of course, in the time honoured IMC manner being marked down as a Troll or Oil Industry plant. Of course this means I can have the pleasure of not worrying about Global Warming while the average IMC reader gets all hot and bothered for no reason - sounds like the whole 911 debate again !

You choose - Troll, Oil Industry Stooge, PR Greenwash person


shit article, stupid writer

06.03.2007 22:10

I am busy, I am not going to loose my time with this rubish, just to say that colleges have been last year in the north pole studing the melting of the ice caps and the were the 5th scientifiv group to agree that the ice extension has been reduce in the last 2 years by a 14%, but still there are idiots like you that will keep going on saying there is no problem, everything is cool... until the water will wet to your door, and then you will say, oh I was wrong, but it will be too late!

kacho


close but no cigar

07.03.2007 04:24

"all that damn scientific research in our American Universities and after 20 years we still haven't got a half-decent American cigar"

H.L.Mencken


Cut and paste rom ABD

07.03.2007 16:31

The article above is a cut and paste from the 'Assoication of British Drivers' who it seems want to cover Britain with roads and cars without any restrictions.


Another gem on their site is a caption to a picture of M40, I expect its meant as a reasoned reason to build more roads:

"The M40 commences its journey north through the Oxfordshire countryside after passing over the Chiltern Hills. Note how narrow the motorway is compared to the fields."

Phil


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