Censorship on Indymedia?
Apostle of Revolution | 03.04.2007 12:09
As secretary of my local anti-war group and an environmentalist, I regularly post articles and adverts for events on indymedia
Recently, I have posted up an article three times and it has either been removed or not been printed. Can I have some explanation as to why?
Recently, I have posted up an article three times and it has either been removed or not been printed. Can I have some explanation as to why?
As secretary of my local anti-war group and an environmentalist, I regularly post articles and adverts for events on indymedia
Recently, I have posted up an article three times and it has either been removed or not been printed. Can I have some explanation as to why?
This is the article:
A radical priest who participated in the Nicaraguan revolution and has spent a lifetime working with poor and excluded communities in Central America will be speaking in Cardiff as part of a campaign to urge people to live simpler and more sustainable lifestyles in solidarity with the poor and the oppressed.
Fr. Juan Hernandez Pico, professor and author of numerous books and papers including "A Theology of Solidarity", "Religion & Revolution in Nicaragua""Another History is Possible" & "El Salvador Political Yearbook" is a leading exponent of Liberation Theology in Latin America and a respected sociologist.
He currently lives in Santa Maria Chiquimula in the Western Highlands of Guatemala, working pastorally with Mayan indigenous communities.
Wednesday 18 April at 7.30
St. Mary of the Angels Church
Kings Road
off Cowbridge Road East
Canton
Cardiff
All welcome.
Recently, I have posted up an article three times and it has either been removed or not been printed. Can I have some explanation as to why?
This is the article:
A radical priest who participated in the Nicaraguan revolution and has spent a lifetime working with poor and excluded communities in Central America will be speaking in Cardiff as part of a campaign to urge people to live simpler and more sustainable lifestyles in solidarity with the poor and the oppressed.
Fr. Juan Hernandez Pico, professor and author of numerous books and papers including "A Theology of Solidarity", "Religion & Revolution in Nicaragua""Another History is Possible" & "El Salvador Political Yearbook" is a leading exponent of Liberation Theology in Latin America and a respected sociologist.
He currently lives in Santa Maria Chiquimula in the Western Highlands of Guatemala, working pastorally with Mayan indigenous communities.
Wednesday 18 April at 7.30
St. Mary of the Angels Church
Kings Road
off Cowbridge Road East
Canton
Cardiff
All welcome.
Apostle of Revolution
Comments
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Editorial Guidelines
03.04.2007 12:43
these include
>Hierarchy : The newswire is designed to generate a news resource, not a notice-board for political parties or any other hierarchically structured organizations.
The Respect Party and the church fit neatly into that box.
IMCer
I call shenanigans
03.04.2007 12:52
2) If you've posted here before, you've not used the 'Apostle of Revolution' name
3) Indymedia only deletes posts outright in exceptional circumstances. Posts are generally just hidden, and I can't see any postings since the 28th of March, hidden or otherwise, that would match your announcement of this priest's visit.
Which leads me to believe that these censorship allegations of yours are entirely bogus.
Aim Here
Flexible application of rules...
03.04.2007 13:05
And I'm not a believer in god either...
Here is an example of a post about a couple of meetings at which a christian was speaking that wasn't hidden:
The hidden posts will be able to be found via the view all posts page:
The list server is down at the moment so this can't be raised on the regular imc-uk-features list.
If the event is posted on the protest.net events site it won't be removed but it probably won't be seen by many people...
Another IMC'er
Freedom of Speech NOW!
03.04.2007 13:16
It is well known that there are many groups and individuals such as Catholic Worker, Christian CND, Leo Tolstoy, Martin Luther King, Gandhi etc. etc. that are broadly on the left.
You refer to hierarchical organisations. This meeting isn't being put on by the official catholic church and is supported by various latin american solidarity groups and NGOs
You are also profoundly ignorant. You don't seem to realise that many liberation theologians are often in conflict with the leaders of their own church.
For example, the speaker at this meeting is Juan Hernandez Pico who participated in the Sandinista revolution. His most famous book was co-wrote with Jon Sobrino, a catholic priest who has currently been banned from teaching by the catholic church and being attacked by the catholic hierarchy!
See:
Your narrow-mindedness is astonishing.
Tom Muntzer
Proof of censorship!
03.04.2007 13:29
Look at this link:
You will see it declare that "Latin American Liberation Theology in Cardiff" has been hidden.
So where are the shenanigans?
Banning freedom of speech is very hierarchical!
Tom Muntzer
Jumble Sale at St. Judas next Tuesday - free entry
03.04.2007 15:29
Neither of them offer a real alternative to anything........
"Another IMCer" writes:
"Personally I wouldn't have hidden the notice announcing this meeting it sounds kinda interesting...
And I'm not a believer in god either... "
Yes - well I have no way of knowing what you might find interesting. Me, I'm more interested in the jumble sale! What I do know is that a meeting in a small church in Cardiff is not news - it hasn't happened yet - this is an advert for a small local event with a hierarchical theme. Or does the priest not believe in the authority of God either?
Heres the witterings of the man of god:
"Father Juan Hernandez Pico, one of Nicaragua's prominent liberation theologians, declared that there was "no other way for a Christian to show his faith in the Kingdom than by committing himself absolutely to a contingent project (the Sandinista regime)." Thus their logic brought them to conclude that one's identity as a Christian depended on a partisan political commitment."15
- "salvation through patronising the immiserated" - That sort of crap I can do without
and posted up by an "apostle of the revolution" doesn't make it any better.
If there is going to be a proposal that we advertise whacky church meetings on the newswire, I probably won't be the only one who has a problem with it.
ftp
I posted and was removed re: Jedi against ID cards
03.04.2007 15:43
kind regards to you all.
Paul T. :)
Paul T
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censorship
03.04.2007 15:49
old lag
'factual erorrs'
03.04.2007 16:22
Perhaps you can explain what the factual error was?
ftp
Try this one
03.04.2007 16:52
old lag
i still want to know
03.04.2007 19:40
Two Hats
FAQ
03.04.2007 20:23
But since the wiki is down then get it from the archive:
IMC'er
Trolling for the Empire
03.04.2007 20:29
nowar
Concerted Indymedia Censorship of Anti-Fascist Posts
03.04.2007 20:32
For active antifascists posting on the IMC features list simply gives your details to the enemy.
I'm surprised that this thread is even being allowed.
Antifascist
So, get involved
03.04.2007 20:55
techie
antifascist
03.04.2007 21:27
If you think that there was a particularly newsworthy comment that should be unhidden, then post it up here and we can look at it.
I was the person who hid the majority of comments on that thread.
I've asked for this thread to be unhidden as the list is still down, but the normal channel is to discuss complaints about moderation on the list and to try and sort them out that way.
Otherwise there'll be interminable threads asking questions and cluttering up the newswires. Furthermore, they'll be seen by more IMC admins on the list.
ftp
Secure e-mail
03.04.2007 22:49
Antifascist
Dubious?
03.04.2007 22:59
Antifascist
Antifascist
03.04.2007 23:32
Or does it maybe refer to the Jewish part?
If you think about it for a minute, you might even understand why I saw it as being the last option.
The other parties were people mentioned in the thread who hadn't done anything.
As the list is down and theres no way I'm trawling through my inbox for emails, people won't have any way of checking your claim that i ignored dissenting views.
I have to say that you don't make the anti-fascist movement look like a particularly worthwhile place to be if all it does is sit and gossip about the alleged sexual predilictions of 'the enemy'. Which is how the threads end up looking a lot of the time.
I don't ever see any kind of analysis of the issue of fascism, just silly willy waving contests. If thats political competence, I'll stick with my incompetence thank you very much.
You haven't actually presented an example of a newsworthy comment that got hidden, have you?
Do you think this one should be up as news?
"Something sick but sadly true (170401) by: Griff
Apparently on a trip to MIlton, Sid tossed off into an unused nappy of the child of Chantroll!!
It's absolutely true!
She was also back on the game within a week of giving birth."
I think its sexist, and puerile.
Have you got something a bit more enlightened that we can look at?
ftp
Once Again, Liberal Idiot Attacks Antifascism On Indymedia
04.04.2007 08:08
"The other parties mentioned in this thread"? Who would they be then? Other Nazis perhaps? It wouldn't be the first time their protests about Indymedia threads has been listened to would it? But I think I know who you might mean. In which case this person not only knew about Steele's involvement in the BPP and C18 for 6 months prior to him being publicly exposed, but also knew he was touting for the cops, and that he was involved in attempting to fit people up.
I find it typical of ignorant liberal scum like you that yet again you choose to denigrate anti-fascism. I'm sure you wouldn't find the anti-fascist movement a "worthwhile" place to be, or you'd be involved in it already, and a bit more clued up than you are. The article on Steele had absolutely nothing to do with his "sexual predilictions", and it is disgusting and offensive that you choose to characterise the anti-fascist posts that people bother to put on Indymedia as "silly willy waving contests"
I don't know where you found that piece of rubbish, but as you well know it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Steele thread. It should be expected that Nazis (and other idiots) will post rubbish from time to time on Indymedia, silly comments are hardly confined to the anti-fascist threads afterall. What the fascists have learned however is that by posting up rubbish, idiots like you will remove the whole piece, as has happened before. But most of the comments on the Steele thread are not rubbish, and do not contravene IMC guidelines in any way. People can check that out by going to:
I believe that, unlike yourself, most Indymedia readers do regard the struggle against fascism as relevant and important. Those who actively engage in it risk arrest and physical harm, and unfortunately have to contend with the sneering (and the smearing) of censorious, ignorant, fools like yourself.
Antifascist
Ad homs are the last resort of the desperate.
04.04.2007 08:20
Perhaps it just boils down to you being so self important that you just think everyone should tolerate your dribble without question?
"Robin Steele’s Jewish blood may make him unacceptable to his would-be Nazi comrades"
What colour is Jewish blood, and in what way does it differ from human blood? Exposing a grass is fine, but pandering to racists by feeding them racism seems a bit of an own goal for an anti-fascist. It is supposedly anti-racism that is at the heart of your movement, no?
The lists are back - so take your response there.
ftp
Why not just tell us the reason?
04.04.2007 08:56
Sometimes it is not at all clear which of the guidelines has been breached (e.g. I can't see why this priest's talk should be blocked, if that was in fact the case - seems inoffensive enough, and of interest to peace campaigners in the area).
It would also make it much clearer to the poster about what is and is not allowed, such that he / she could avoid similar problems in the future.
Gregor Samsa