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David Rovics Q & A

Fan | 10.04.2008 20:26 | Culture | Terror War

David Rovics latest blog on 911 received a lot of comment. Knowing him to be both the most approachable, centred and articulate bloke, I asked if I could send him a list of questions. I asked for questions from a variety of both activists and fans, 911 believers, atheists and agnostics. This isn't a real interview, just an emailed list of disparate questions but his responses are worth sharing.

Q) I've been downloading your children's songs from 'Davids Pirate Song Chest ' - what is Leila's favourite song of yours ?

A) The one she requests most is "Leila's birthday song," usually by saying, "happy to you? happy to you?"

Q) You made one of the most moving tributes to Brad Will, which remains about the highest praise Indymedia has ever earned by association. Do you ever post on Indymedia yourself or are you just reposted by your fans ?

A) I'm a huge fan of Indymedia, of the concept of it, and often of the practice as well. I only started writing essays less than two years ago on a regular basis, and mostly I just send them out to my email list and see where they end up, but I keep meaning to post them to my local Indymedia site in Portland, Oregon, which is a very active one.

Q) I've heard you and Utah Philips have been the official singer-songwriters for the Wobblies, and I've heard there is no such role and you are both just creative Wobblies. Please explain if such a post exist in the IWW ?

A) Such a post doesn't exist as far as I know ! But certainly Utah, myself and other musicians have long been members of and promoters of the IWW, both in terms of it's incredible history as well as it's present-day activities. Utah is, I'd say, the uncontested IWW minstrel of the planet, but it's an informal kind of thing as far as I know...

Q) Utah Philips voted in the last US election after a lifetime of not voting, saying "There are millions of people in the world who are affected by the actions of this government, and they can't vote in this election. I have no use for Kerry. I have no use for Bush. I don't like either one of them, but these folks can't vote in this election. They have to have people vote for them." Do you vote yourself and what do you make of Utah's decision ?

A) I think fundamentally, democracy is in the streets, and politics mainly happen because of what happens on the streets, ultimately. However, once a year it's easy enough to spend a couple hours in line at a voting booth. In local elections there are often very real choices. In state and national elections this is less the case. But I think it's fair to say that there IS a difference between, say, Barack Obama and George Bush, and I don't agree with the people who say it's better to vote for outright fascists because they'll galvanize the opposition better.

Q) Cindy Sheehan is running against Nancy Pelosi - do you think this is a good tactic and would you vote for her ?

A) Nancy Pelosi is a war criminal, like most of the rest of the congress, and of course I'd vote for Cindy anyday. I think it's a good tactic, to run against both republicans and "mainstream" democrats like Pelosi. I wouldn't want to see a leftwinger run against democrats like Maxine Waters or Dennis Kucinich -- but Nancy Pelosi, for sure.

Q) Norman Baker MP believes Dr David Kelly was murdered. This theory was ridiculed on IM-UK until a mainstream political figure investigated. Facts that the establishment now admit, like UK & US special forces operations in Iran, and prohibited weapons use in Iraq, were routinely dismissed as 'conspiracy theories'. Investigative journalism is speculative by it's nature. Do you think independent media should stick to reportage or encourage investigations too ?

A) I think reporting and investigating are both great. Jumping to conclusions based on investigations which have not led to conclusive evidence, but just to hypotheses and more questions, etc., is bad. It does us all a disservice, and cheapens the value of the real conspiracies that have been proven, such as the US government's many successfully- and unsuccessfully-executed conspiracies to overthrow various governments, kill elected leaders, push crack in the streets of Los Angeles, etc.

Q) Is there any form of censorship more awful than self-censorship ?

A) Hard to compare horrors. Dictatorships that engage in real censorship are pretty awful. "Democracies" that are controlled by self-censoring corporate media are really insidious, too. People who self-censor because they're afraid of sticking their necks out is also very dangerous and bad.

Q) I saw your interview with Attila the Stockbroker when he makes the point the US alternative and college scene is much more active than in the UK. Had you noticed that and can you explain it ?

A) I'm not at all sure whether that's true these days. I think he was more commenting on how little activism there is on campuses in the UK, and was reacting to the fact that we were getting a few decent gigs on campuses during tours we did in the US together. There's definitely some activism on campuses in both countries, but not nearly enough, and certainly in the US it was a much bigger activist scene on campuses in the 1990's than it is now, at least according to my subjective observations...

Q) How you you balance campaigning against climate change and travelling between protests ? Can't most activists achieve more on any issue by protesting in the heart of the empire rather than by travelling to the frontline if they are already aware of the nature of the frontline ? Wouldn't most Iraqis sick of war protest in Washington if they could rather than Basra ?

A) I think there's great value in staying home, in terms of doing what I do (and what other activists in the US do) here in the US however, it's a very big country, and getting around without burning lots of carbon is very difficult, and would seriously hamper the efforts of people like me to do what we do. There's also value in performing or doing other work in other countries, and for sure there's great value in people from outside the US coming here to do organizing, performing and other work. I know many will disagree with me on this, but I think it's worth the carbon. I think this because we need structural change in this country and most of the rest of the world -- millions of people riding bicycles is going to be a drop in the bucket compared to what is needed to save life on earth. We don't need leftists deciding not to fly -- we need the US government to virtually ban using airplanes entirely, and other governments around the world to do the same. And lots more.

Q) According to a couple of university studies, the domestic BBC were the British channel that showed the most pro-war coverage compared to anti-war coverage in the run up to the war, yet you seem to have a fondness for the world service. It might be subtler propaganda than Fox but the BBC is as independent of MI5 as Radio Moscow was independent of the KGB. Is that me being paranoid or is that you being an american with rose-tinted glasses because they've played a few of your songs ?

A) Well it's true, and a good point, actually, that they've played a few of my songs (though it would be an exaggeration to say they've played me often). This contrasts quite a bit with "public" radio or tv or commercial radio or tv in the States, which have entirely ignored me and most other similar artists of any genre. There's definitely a difference between BBC and it's US equivalents. This can also be said of public broadcasting in most of Europe -- it's qualitatively different from their equivalents in the US. This is not to say that they're not also biased in favor of the ruling classes -- they generally are, but they're much better than the shit we get here. I listen to lots of it, from both sides of the pond.

Q) People sometimes quote or link to Framptons "I'm a Better Folksinger than You" to poke fun at you. You name-check and link to RiotFolk, so I have to assume you have a sense of humour. I love the song, but especially for the fact you are obviously a better folksinger than him. Does being slagged / burned annoy you or make you giggle ?

A) I think the song is hilarious, and I think Tom and various other members of Riot Folk have written lots of great songs. I think Tom and others in the collective are a bit zealous in their orientation, and may not like me very much anymore. I hope they get over it, 'cause they're nice folks and good songwriters and performers, even if some of them are a bit quick to judge and a bit too obsessively pc for my tastes.

Q) Charlton Heston just died. Did someone remember to take his gun from his cold, dead hands ?

A) I hope so!

Q) Personally my favourite of your latest blogs was 'The Next Attack is Coming' but it wasn't commented on widely. Does that prove anything ?

A) I'm sure it's not proof of anything much. I'm fairly mystified by the process of which essays of mine get picked up and spread around and which don't.

Q) Are you aware Robert Fisk recently received a lot of hate mail when he expressed the mildest of doubts about 911 ? It is an interesting juxtaposition, you getting the same abuse for the opposite turn of opinion. [ I forgot to add the link for David ].

A) What did Fisk say? I think he's the greatest writer on the planet. I'm so bummed out that he hasn't written more books, because I've read them all and I wish there were more to read. He gets hate mail from everyone, I think he's great. Don't know what he said tho.

Q) Your previous blog criticised the peace movement for not respecting it's creative wing enough. I'd agree with that, but did that provoke as much of a response as your 911 blog ?

A) Both essays received more response than any other essays I've sent out, from different folks for different reasons. You can get a flavor of the various responses by looking in the comments section on Common Dreams and other places it got posted, I hear, though I've mostly been responding to (most of) the emails I've been getting, which are, as usual, a real mix of pro and con, tho certainly more con for the 9/11 essay, a fairly even mix of reasonable, civil responses and people calling me names. I think most of the people responding negatively are either misunderstanding something I wrote, or being defensive, or didn't finish reading the essay, or are stuck in a groove and can't break out of it -- that groove being the one where everything is either allegation vs. allegation, rather than questioning whether the whole conversation, especially in it's mud-slinging form, is worth having, and moreover, why are we having it.

Q) You complained in your 911 blog about being heckled by 911ers, but isn't that a misplaced criticism of your fans. If you were heckled by anyone at gig I was at then the heckler would have been escorted out of the building or shouted down, probably by the people closest too him. Surely it is an artists fans responsibility to silence dubious hecklers ?

A) They usually wait til the end to get really obnoxious, because of course they know they might get kicked out of the room. This is not an isolated phenomenon, it's happening to lots of reasonably well-known progressive authors, performers, etc., I'm not sure how many. I'm not at all suggesting here (or in my piece) that the hecklers represent everybody else in the truth movement, just that they exist in fairly significant numbers, and that they're really annoying.

Q) It has recently come out that much of the 9/11 Commission report was based on "confessions" extracted via torture, see: A new analysis by NBC News reveals that more than a quarter of all footnotes in the 9/11 Commission Report refer to controversial interrogation techniques and How Karl Rove and Torture Influenced the 9/11 Report"

Have you read the 9/11 Commission report and in light of the recent revelations how reliable and how accurate a representation of the events do you consider it to be?

A) I have not read the report, but I tend to think that it was more trying to cover stuff up rather than get to the bottom of anything.

Q) In your recent article you wrote: "the CIA funded and armed Al-Qaeda and the Taleban". What evidence do you based this on and are you aware of the work that people like Nafeez Ahmed, Michel Chossudovsky and Peter Dale-Scott have done on this matter, for example:

-Ties With Terror: Western-Al-Qaeda Relations in the Post-Cold War Period

-Chossudovsky interview: "Al-Qaeda Is a U.S.-sponsored Intelligence Asset"

-How the FBI protected Al Qaeda's 9/11 Hijacking Trainer

A) I don't think Chossudovsky is particularly reliable, but no, I haven't read these articles. As for what evidence I base the U.S. support for the Taleban and al-Qaeda, it's all over the place. Read Robert Fisk, he spent lots of time in Afghanistan, he'll tell you all about it, among many others. I know it's annoying to you, dear questioner, but I'm not here to prove or disprove anything, I'll leave that to other people, like, for example, investigative journalists like Robert Fisk.

Q) In your recent article you wrote: "whether it was a terrorist attack carried out by US-trained Mujahideen that could have been prevented, or an entirely "inside job" carried out by Dick Cheney with the aide of computers and plastic explosives, as many Truthers claim".

Do you consider that it was "a terrorist attack carried out by US-trained Mujahideen that could have been prevented" and if so could you elaborate on what exactly you think happened?

A) I think it was a terrorist attack carried out by people who came from a certain milieu (al-Qaeda and certain other groups) who support this kind of tactic. The tactic isn't a new one, it's just a very dramatic example of the tactic at work. Why elaborate on what happened? It's a matter of the public record. A bunch of guys with a background in certain resistance movements with deep connections to the CIA, the Saudi regime, the Pakistani regime, the Taleban, etc., hijacked a bunch of planes and crashed them into very prominent buildings.

Q) When you wrote in your recent article: "For the cops among the Truthers (of course it's a matter of the public record that the FBI and other such agencies regularly write "newspaper articles" - propaganda or disinformation of whatever sort they deem useful which they disseminate through newspapers, websites, etc.), undermining the legitimacy of the progressive media is exactly their goal"

Do you have any specific stories or people in mind as being state sponsored disinformation or is this just an overall impression you have?

A) The FBI admits they do this, it's not an impression. The CIA does it too, by their own admission. This kind of thing was fairly recently a matter of debate in the Congress. I don't know who the agents are, it wouldn't work very well if we knew who they were, they'd have to change their names or something...

Q) And are you aware that the 9/11 truth movement itself has produced a considerable volume of material on disinformation, for example: TruthMove: Disinformation, 911 Visibility: Special Report: COINTELPRO, Jim Hoffman: Trojan Horses, Combating 9/11 Disinformation for the 9/11 Truth Movement, Mark Robinowitz: Disinformation.

A) Yes, of course, as it should! Legitimate researchers should call out wackos when they see them. It's a slippery slope, tho. Of course if the 9/11 truth movement is going to have any coherence as a movement, rather than as just a bunch of different isolated researchers, they'd better call out the people doing obvious disinfo. problem is, it's hard to tell who that is sometimes, because so many of the people doing more legit research are still jumping to all kinds of unsubstantiatable conclusions based on lots of interesting, but circumstantial, evidence. The ones who aren't doing that, but are really just doing research, tend not to associate themselves with the truth movement, but tend to just call themselves journalists.

Q) In your recent article you wrote: "For the more earnest elements among the Truthers, undermining the progressive media is also their goal, because they don't see it as being distinct from the corporate media anyway" And: "The people who are trying, with some degree of success, to undermine these basic endeavours of the progressive movement and the progressive media need to be exposed for what they are."

Are you aware that there are alternative media activists, who promote rather than undermine progressive media, who also don't believe the official story of 9/11, see for example this interview with two Indymedia activists about the 9/11 truth movement: - Truth Revolution Radio: Indymedia and 9/11 truth. Or do you think that it is impossible to be both a progressive activist and to question the official story of 9/11?

A) I think all people with brains should question all "official stories," whatever they may be. But to say "I know what happened" when you don't, or "I know who shot JFK" when you don't, or whatever, is doing no one any favors.

Q) You say the "Truth Movement” contains 'undercover government agents quite purposefully and systematically working to spread disinformation and sow confusion and distrust'. Why would they plant agents amongst the 911ers to discredit other movements when they are already planting agents within each movement to do that directly ?

A) I'm not sure how to answer that. I think agents are being planted in every movement, I think that's evident, as well as historically consistent with the behavior of the state apparatus during Cointelpro and earlier times, for which we have incontrovertible proof that agents were planted everywhere. I'm sure nothing's changed.

Q) In your recent article you wrote, in reference to your "Reichstag Fire" song: “In the song I also posed questions which I now feel have been adequately explained." While you have now had your questions answered there are still some people who don't feel that their questions have been answered, for example the outstanding questions from the Family Steering Committee: - Unanswered Questions. Do you think it's legitimate for people to continue to seek answers or do you tend to agree with the view that everyone should move on, as represented by people such as Michael Ruppert who recently has said: "September 11th is all but forgotten. No one wants to hear about it anymore".

A) I think people should keep asking questions, but not jumping to conclusions. For the record, I do not think all the questions I pose in the song have been answered -- but some of the bigger ones have, as far as I can tell. What happened with those put options? I don't know. did 19 arabs hijack planes, fly them into buildings, which then caused these buildings to collapse? Yes, I think so. Should this "official story" (if that's what it is) be questioned? Sure, why not. but don't lose the forest for the trees!

Q) Comparisions have been made between the killing of JFK and 9/11, for example this article by Peter Dale-Scott: - "JFK, 9/11 and War". And the view of Noam Chomsky of these two events has many similarities and his position on JFK has been harshly critisised by Michael Parenti in a talk on TUC Radio: The JFK Assassination and the Gangster Nature of the State and in his book Dirty Truths: Conspiracy Phobia on The Left. Do you think it is legitimate for people like Michael Parenti to be critical of Noam Chomsky in this manner?

A) I think it's fine for Parenti to be critical of Chomsky. I think they're both great, especially Chomsky. I don't know what he said, not gonna read all your references, you can't do an interview like that, sorry! I think, generally, that I agree with Chomsky's analysis about these things, which is basically, fine to ask questions, but there's plenty of horrific stuff we know about, no need to dwell on the unanswered questions, what's the point? Can't we just get on with overthrowing capitalism? It's been so well proven to be failing to take care of the needs of most people on the planet, or the earth itself, and moreover, it (in the form of the US ruling class especially) keeps killing millions of innocent people in wars for oil and power! Isn't that enough? Who cares why WTC7 came down? Who cares whether JFK was killed by a lone gunman, or by the Cuban mafia, or by the CIA ? I didn't like the CIA or the Cuban mafia before 1961 or after 1961! (and I was born in 1967, but that's beside the point.)

Q) A couple of issues that are controversial within the 9/11 truth movement are peak oil and climate change, with the people on the right, for example Alex Jones, advocating a "denial" position and those on the left, like TruthMove are very much in opposition to this, for example see their material on global warming and peak oil. Related to this is the on-going mass extinction of other life forms.

These issues, in addition to the ongoing imperial genocide in the middle east and the global economic meltdown were addressed in a talk by Nafeez Ahmed last November.

How do you feel, having a young daughter, about the prospects for life on the planet for the next generation and can capitalism be stopped before it's too late? Or is it essentially too late already?

Q) I don't know about all the articles you reference, but as to your question here, I think our only option is victory, and yes, it's possible. If I'm only saying that based on faith, then that'll do fine. I have faith in nothing else, no ideology or theory, but I have faith in struggle.



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Good Interview

10.04.2008 21:02

Interesting answers from David Rovics, the article they pick up on is his 9/11 Truth Movement vs. 9/11 Truth one, which was published a couple of days earlier on his blog, and based on the fact that he was on tour in Canada when it was published and that in the interview above he says he doesn't find time to post to his local IMC, Portland, I expect that a 3rd party reposted this last article of his to UK Indymedia -- he might not have even seen it or the comments following it...

On Tuesday night David Rovics was on Kevin Barretts radio show, there will probably be a advert free version on soon but in the mean time if you can stand 10mins or dire adverts for guns and survivalist tat then you can listen to it here:

Kevin Barrett is not to be trusted, he is a advocate of the "Big Tent", approach for the 9/11 truth movement, which involves him supporting TV fakery, Space Beam Weapons and other debunked 9/11 theories and much worse, see this excellent article by Arabesque on him:

In that interview David Rovics makes lots of good points about CIA drug running and with regard to 9/11 he says (this isn't an exact transcript) "If it's true that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition in terms of what has been done by the government to the US people in a single day there is nothing comparable". He uses the term "in a single day" because he acknowledges that slavery and the genocide of the native american's and nuclear testing was worse.

In the interview David Rovics admits that all the questions in his Reichstag Fire song were provided by a friend of his and that he still likes the song and that he thinks asking questions is fine but those who claim they have all the answers are like "religious zealots", which I agree with. You can watch him preforming Reichstag Fire via the Internet Archive: and the the lyrics have been reproduced below for information.

On the matter of his recommendation of Popular Mechanics for information about the destruction of the 3 skyscrapers on 9/11 he admits that he only read the magazine article they published, which Jim Hoffman has countered, -- he hasn't read their book or the rebuttal to their book from David Ray Griffin, Debunking 9/11 Debunking, I haven't read them (the books) either, but I have read a lot of Jim Hoffman's work and he is very trustworthy and reliable.

David Rovics makes it clear in the interview with Kevin Barrett that he favours a new investigation into 9/11, a proper independent, legal one with subpoena powers. He also says that he doesn't think that the controlled demolition of the buildings is being covered up but the links between the CIA and Al-Qaeda are, however he now appears to think that they are now an independent rather than a quasi-independent organisation -- ie he seems to have essentially the same "blowback" position of people like Noam Chomsky have on this matter.

Also in the interview has says he is a great fan of Hamas, the BBC and The Guardian and Kevin Barrett agrees with him on The Guardian... I suggest they need to follow Media Lens to get a more balanced view of the British corporate / mainstream media... However to be fair to David Rovics he does also plug some alternative media, Democracy Now! and Zmag and in the interview above he makes it clear he is a great supporter of Indymedia.

I agree that Robert Fisk has done a lot of excellent work, along with John Pilger he is clearly one of the very few decent mainstream journalists and his article on the 9/11 truth movement made a lot of valid points:

Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11

See also the articles on this site about it at the time:

' Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11 ' - Fisk

Conspiraloons, Ravers and Peace Activists

And my previous comment on it:

Fisk, the "Patriots" and WTC7

However there is a very big problem with this article by Robert Fisk -- this sentence:

"Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive"."

Because it appears he is referring to Morgan Reynolds and Judy Wood who are totally discredited in the 9/11 truth movement for their "beam weapons based in space brought down the twin towers" nonsense. If you doubt he is referring to these two then look at this press release that came out a few days later, it does seem like the best match, Professors Make Legal Challenges to NIST 9/11 World Trade Centre Report, and the site is run by Andrew Johnson who also hosts Judy Wood's site...

If you haven't come across Judy Wood before then the interview of her that Greg Jenkins did is the best introduction to her total madness, and for more information on her and Morgan Reynolds see the collection of link here: Incidently in the interview with David Rovics Kevin Barrett describes Judy Wood as one of the "great women of 9/11 truth"...

A couple of thoughts for anyone interested in reading more on 9/11, if it all happened due to US government "incompetence" how come nobody was depromoted, or lost their jobs? See Arabesque's article, Cui Bono? The 9/11 Promotions, for more on this. Also David Rovics makes the claim that structural engineers disagree with the "demolition" theories but I'm not sure he is aware the buildings were specifically designed to survive plane crashes? Again see Arabesque's article The World Trade Center Building Designers: Pre-9/11 claims strongly implicate that the Towers should have remained standing on 9/11

However I appreciate that for many people any talk about the nature of the structural failure of the skyscrapers is a total turn off, if it isn't then look at the work of Jim Hoffman on his 3 sites, and nd also the work of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth! the founder of recently gave a presentation in Portland and this is linked to from Portland Indymedia:

Many of the best activists in the 9/11 truth movement really don't like the prominence of "controlled demolition" theories and some of the most prominent people who don't touch this matter but who address the broader political context and other non-physical evidence include Michael Ruppert Michel Chossudovsky Peter Dale-Scott Paul Thompson Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone and the UK's Nafeez Ahmed,

I think that some of the very best work on the context and politics of 9/11 and the global war of terror has been done by Nafeez Ahmed and I can't recommend these talks highly enough:

Ties With Terror: Western-Al-Qaeda Relations in the Post-Cold War Period

International Terrorism: The Secret History

Creating Terror

And his last talk which looks at the even bigger picture, imperialism, peak oil, climate change etc:

Nafeez Ahmed: The Hidden Holocaust - Our Civilizational Crisis

The lyrics of Reichstag Fire by David Rovics, taken from the Internet Archive, follow:

The planes hit New York City
And thousands now are dead
"It was Arab terrorists"
This is what you said
Well if that is the truth
Then what have you got to hide
And what were you doing
On the day all those people died
Where the fuck were the fighter jets
Ordered by the FAA
And what is your explanation
For what you were heard to say
When you told the Air Force to stand down
Not to intercept
Did you plan to let it happen
Or are you just inept

I am left to wonder
As the flames are reaching higher
Was this our latest Lusitannia
Or another Reichstag Fire

There's some distressing information, sir
Which I think should be explained
Just which things have been lost
And just what has been gained
Like the thousands of put options
Bought days before the crash
If the money were collected
It would make quite a pretty stash
And the only stocks they bought
Were American and United
Deutsche Bank knows the answer
But the names have not been sighted
And is it just coincidence
That this firm in the private sector
Was once run by "Buzzy" Krongard
Ex-CIA Director


There's something fishy in Virginia
And I want an explanation
Why did they get the contract
What is Britannia Aviation
A one-man operation
Corporation with no history
He said he worked in Florida
But there he was a mystery
So is there a connection
I think it bears investigation
When the FAA found boxcutters
Does this cause you consternation
Hidden behind the seats
In these Delta planes
That had been fixed in Lynchburg
With Brittania at the reigns


You said Bin Laden was your friend
But he isn't anymore
Now that he's not fighting Russia
In your proxy war
Who called the FBI
Off the Bin Laden family trail
When so many times you had the chance
To re-write this sordid tale
Sudan in '96
The Taleban in 2001
Offered to turn him over
And right then you coulda won
But perhaps it is the case
That you're avoiding victory
That to justify your exploits
You must have an enemy


If you were not hiding from the truth
Then you'd have a truth commission
And not some masquerade
Kangaroo investigation
Hiring Henry Kissinger
The ancient master of deceit
To make sure all stones are left unturned
And the ruse is kept complete
And now you carry out your plans
Which you have had for decades
Conquering the world
With your troops and bombing raids
I see an evil regime
Led by an evil man
On Pennsylvania Avenue
Where this evil war began



Rovics on Fisks 911 article:

10.04.2008 22:47

I received a follow up email once David had read Fisks 911 article. It reads: "I agree with Fisk's article! much shorter than mine, too, and better..."

I'm not sure that is true, but I'd love to hear Fisk and Rovics discussing the matter directly. Fisk suddenly announces doubts about 911, and he gets slagged. Rovics announces doubts about the truth movement and gets the same abuse from the other side of the argument. Yet they probably agree on the substance and it is just us punters who are creating controversy for the sake of controversy.

Does anyone have Robert Fisks email address ?


David Rovics interviewed on Kevin Barrett's show

04.05.2008 17:37

This is an interesting interview, though I don't trust Kevin Barrett and I don't agree with David Rovics... advert free version:


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