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More 'Wonderfull' Climate Research Findings

reposted | 24.04.2008 20:19 | Climate Chaos | Ecology | World

A team of Australian Research Scientists have concluded a month-long oceanic cruise measuring ocean currents between Australia and Antarctica.(1)

They have found that the salinity of the ocean around Antarctica is decreasing, which will impact the rate at which water sinks. This is the same problem that scientists worry about in the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation (the North Atlantic Conveyor) which has been proven to have caused snaps into ice age conditions.

On the other side of the globe, researchers have found that the Canadian Arctic Ice Sheet has lost 90% of its size since 1900.(2) What is left has broken into three giant pieces, and it is feared that the remaining ice shelf will disintegrate within the next few years.

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1) Ocean salinity evidence of climate change: researchers, 4/17/08
 http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/17/2219659.htm

2) Ward Hunt Ice Shelf, Largest In Northern Hemisphere, Has Fractured Into Three Main Pieces, 4/16/08
 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080415205350.htm

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Volume matters

24.04.2008 23:22

Most of these glaciers and icebergs dissolve into the sea, don't they?
Melting ice REDUCES in volume in my experience
This should result in a slight reduction in sea levels
Good for Bangla Desh and the Netherlands imo

dh


not dh

25.04.2008 06:26

even i a non scientist can understand that melting ice increases volume of water in the ocean-

cmon its not that complicated

dh think about it


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A regular event

25.04.2008 09:05

This is thought to be the twentieth time the Canadian Ice Sheet has melted and reformed over the past 75,000 years. Can you tell me why you think it is significant this time ?

Info required


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Progress at last

25.04.2008 09:15

Well at least this post is not attempting to claim that CO2 is linked to climate change. Thanks god activists seem to be learning the real reasons for climate change at last and no longer swallowing the governement spin

Matt


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Don't fall for the climate change myths

25.04.2008 09:22

From ScienceDaily magazine


— Scientists have discovered what they think may be another reason why Greenland 's ice is melting: a thin spot in Earth's crust is enabling underground magma to heat the ice.

They have found at least one “hotspot” in the northeast corner of Greenland -- just below a site where an ice stream was recently discovered.

The researchers don't yet know how warm the hotspot is. But if it is warm enough to melt the ice above it even a little, it could be lubricating the base of the ice sheet and enabling the ice to slide more rapidly out to sea.

“The behavior of the great ice sheets is an important barometer of global climate change,” said Ralph von Frese, leader of the project and a professor of earth sciences at Ohio State University. “However, to effectively separate and quantify human impacts on climate change, we must understand the natural impacts, too.

“Crustal heat flow is still one of the unknowns -- and it's a fairly significant one, according to our preliminary results.”

Timothy Leftwich, von Frese's former student and now a postdoctoral engineer at the Center for Remote Sensing of Ice Sheets at the University of Kansas, presented the study's early results on Thursday, December 13, 2007, at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.

von Frese's team combined gravity measurements of the area taken by a Naval Research Laboratory aircraft with airborne radar measurements taken by research partners at the University of Kansas. The combined map revealed changes in mass beneath the Earth's crust, and the topography of the crust where it meets the ice sheet.

Below the crust is the mantle, the partially molten rocky layer that surrounds the Earth's core. The crust varies in thickness, but is usually tens of miles thick. Even so, the mantle is so hot that temperatures just a few miles deep in the crust reach hundreds of degrees Fahrenheit, von Frese explained.

“Where the crust is thicker, things are cooler, and where it's thinner, things are warmer. And under a big place like Greenland or Antarctica , natural variations in the crust will make some parts of the ice sheet warmer than others,” he said.

The ice thickness, the temperature at the base of the ice, and ground topography all contribute to the forming of an ice stream -- a river of ice that flows within a larger ice sheet. In recent years, Greenland ice streams have been carrying ice out to sea faster, and ice cover on the island has been diminishing.

Once the ice reaches the sea, it melts, and global sea levels rise.

“The complete melting of these continental ice sheets would put much of Florida, as well as New Orleans, New York City and other important coastal population centers, under water,” von Frese said.

The ice sheet in northeast Greenland is especially worrisome to scientists. It had no known ice streams until 1991, when satellites spied one for the first time. Dubbed the Northeastern Greenland Ice Stream, it carries ice nearly 400 miles, from the deepest interior of the island out to the Greenland Sea.

“Ice streams have to have some reason for being there. And it's pretty surprising to suddenly see one in the middle of an ice sheet,” von Frese said.

The newly discovered hotspot is just below the ice stream, and could have caused it to form, the researchers concluded. But what caused the hotspot to form?

“It could be that there's a volcano down there,” he said. “But we think it's probably just the way the heat is being distributed by the rock topography at the base of the ice.”

Collaborator Kees van der Veen began working on the project when he was a visiting associate professor of geological sciences and research scientist at Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State. He is now at the University of Kansas.

“Recent observations indicate that the Greenland Ice Sheet is much more active than we ever believed,” van der Veen said. “There have been rapid changes in outlet glaciers, for example. Such behavior is critically linked to conditions at the ice bed. Geothermal heat is an important factor, but until now, our models have not included spatial variations in heat, such as this hotspot.

“Our map is the first attempt at quantifying spatial variations in geo-heat under Greenland -- and it explains why the Northeast Greenland Ice Stream is where it is,” van der Veen added.

To measure actual temperatures beneath the ice, scientists must drill boreholes down to the base of the ice sheet-- a mile or more below the ice surface. The effort and expense make such measurements few and far between, especially in remote areas of northeast Greenland.

For now, the researchers are combining theories of how heat flows through the mantle and crust with the gravity and radar data, to understand how the hotspot is influencing the ice.

Once they finish searching the rest of Greenland for other hotspots, they hope to turn their attention to Antarctica.

This research was funded by the National Science Foundation.

climate change and CO2 = tax opportunity


er, dhy

25.04.2008 13:58

all substances have higher density than in their liquid form, it's all due to molecular density.
this news is frightening

DaanSaaf


GCSE

25.04.2008 15:20

Almost all liquids are LESS dense than the solid form, since the molecules are more randomly assorted. Water is the major exception being densest at 4oC - which is why that is the temperature at the bottom of the oceans.

If the ice is free floating, as at the Arctic, then there is no change in sea level at all when it melts. This is because the ice displaces its own weight of water, and when it melts, is still the same weight (Archimedes). If the water then warms from 0oC to 4oC, the sea level actually drops very slightly, followed by a rise if the water warms beyond 4oC.

If the ice is on land, as with the Antarctic or Greenland, then sea levels rise.

However, sea levels have been rising for some thousands of years. It is not so long since the Channel and the North Sea were above sea level.

a scientist


Also don't forget

26.04.2008 15:56

That as sea temperatures rise the water within them will thermally expand, in other words, the warmer the seas get, the more room they will take up, and therefore this will itself contribute to a rise in sea levels.

Tom A


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