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Fight Speciesism #1 - Out Now!

The first issue features: occupations in Paris, Antispe vs. Novartis, news from the UK frontlines, the Sequani Six trial, SHAC watch and more.

Versions to read and print are available below.

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Fight Speciesism! is the new newsletter from Antispe Britain.
Please distribute far and wide!

antispe britain
e-mail: antispe.tk
Homepage: http://antispeciesistaction@hotmail.co.uk

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any articles by non human animals?

03.06.2008 00:15

Are you antispeciest lifestylists, unconcerned with struggles grounded in everyday life?

niemoller flew short haul

Hyporitical humanocentric mossad lackeys key impediment to peace

03.06.2008 05:01

... because non-human animals can't read, can they? So what are you doing to make sure that all species are fully informed of your noble initiatives? Or are you just a bunch of humanocentric elitists?

This publication itself is grotesquely speciesist

silly!

03.06.2008 08:16

You two above sound very silly!

I wonder what you attitude would have been when people started standing up against racism?
Would you have taken the piss out of them?

Is antispe a bit too evolved for you to comprehend?

flea

I am amazing

03.06.2008 09:12

Animal rights is grounded in everyday life. You clearly have never thought about how much of your life depends on exploiting animals.

Why don't you two save us the clever words and pretentious bollocks and actually do something constructive with your life?

Whether you like it or not, animal rights activists are effecting social change, and making a difference to individuals that suffer all across the world. What excatly have you lot achieved?

Good on the kids for showing a bit of iniative.

Roger

@ flea

03.06.2008 09:24

...not it prolly ISN'T tooo difficult for you to comprehend, but I assume that what is far to difficult for you to grasp -the fact the past 6 millennia or so of human civilisation strongly suggests the gulf between humans and other species is rather too wide to be compared like-for-like with that between different humans?
cripesd, there's the loony fringe and then there's completely, utterly barking...

DaanSaaf

Surely..

03.06.2008 09:49

.. by now you've realised that not every movement or campaign can emcompass every single struggle known to the planet? Why criticise efforts purely because they focus on one area of abuse, in this case animal abuse? Focusing on a particular area makes action effective, and doesn't mean people agreeing with Antispe don't also support human and earth liberation struggles.

xxx

Re: silly!

03.06.2008 09:49

I'd criticise any vanguard, only self-organisation can lead to emancipation.

niemoller flew short haul

I can't help but feel

03.06.2008 10:36

that calling 10% of the population* "the loony fringe" or beyond is a product of head-in-the-sand ethics.

*roughly the number self-defining as vegetarian/vegan in the USA/UK; reliable statistics are hard or impossible to find for other countries, but veggie diets are known to be popular in India and much of China's traditional diet is based on soy rather than meat. On the other hand, some European countries have little or no visible vegetarianism, so a worldwide estimate is impossible.
NB: I didn't list a source because there are so many out there that disagree and represent the statistics in so many different ways depending on how the question is asked. You can google it if you want to know the stats I relied on (Gallup polls, etc)

Rogue

Re: Rouge

03.06.2008 11:24

I'll list one for you:

10% of the UK don't eat meat! Source:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uHTJFNbceI

It's from the good old BBC! Whether it's because of health, vegetarianism, religious believes or because its tastes like crap.

When approximately 14% of the UK population voted the government in power who control our every move, it doesn't look like were such a "loony fringe" after all. Were about as popular as the politicians we see on TV every single day....or at least we have the right to be by their standards.

( 2005 UK election turnout equated to approximately 22% of the electorate on a 61.3% turnout )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_2005

me
Homepage: http://who needs a website when you can represent yourself?

Um

03.06.2008 11:24

that calling 10% of the population* "the loony fringe" or beyond is a product of head-in-the-sand ethics.

Antispe do not make up ten percent of the population. Most veggie and vegan tyeps that you say make up 10% of the population would think antispe are just as bat shit nuts as the rest of us.

miserablist

I wish i was as pretentious as niemoller flew short haul

03.06.2008 11:34

Billions spent destroying the earth and millions starving in the third world, where did it go so wrong!

There is a global food shortage. Millions of animals suffering in labs, farms, factories and yards and there are some good people looking for the answer to all these problems.

Well I think Antispe may have the answer!

Bathroom salesman

Vanguard

03.06.2008 12:26

Anyone who begins the process of self - organisation constitutes a vanguard. Animals that attack humans constitute an Antispe vanguard. Victory to our valorous mosquito comrades! All power to the midges!

Bunty Jenner

RE: miserablist

03.06.2008 13:44

I think you'll find the 10% statistic was entirely relevant. I was responding to a post which suggested that Antispe were "the lunatic fringe", presumably for opposing the meat industry, and promoting vegetarian/vegan ethics. On that basis, people in the population at large who are not members of antispe but who oppose the meat industry, and promote vegetarian/vegan ethics are tarred with the same brush.
To say that such a large group constitutes a "lunatic fringe" is, as was pointed out, rather bizarre as it is a significant number of people in terms of moral/political issues. The number of people who are vegetarians is probably far larger than the number that consider themselves Marxists in the UK, for instance.
I fail to see any fundamental difference between antispe and general vegans/vegetarians other than their level of concern and commitment. I don't think that's enough to constitute a lunatic fringe. They hardly seem like Jainists, just vegan activists advocating direct action. Even if there is one, I think the original post reads as if the very idea of vegetarianism/veganism is a lunatic fringe - perhaps this is just a misunderstanding, but I'd be inclined to suggest otherwise based on the train of thought followed before the lunatic fringe comment.

Rogue

loony

03.06.2008 14:11

Lunatic Fringe?

Way to stereotype and generalise a HUGE chunk of people!

If disagreeing with slicing open the throats of animals and eating their semi-rotten corpses makes me a lunatic, then I'd rather be a lunatic any day of the week than be a so-called "normal" person who is misguided in the belief that eating a living being's flesh is acceptable.

Lunatic Fringe Brigade

Re: DaanSaaf

03.06.2008 17:38

You are answering your own question here if you swop non-humans for non-whites...

"just like the fact the past 6 millennia or so of white supremist civilisation strongly suggested that the gulf between "whites" and other humans is rather too wide to be compared like-for-like with that between different "whites"?"

....which is something we've known they "suggested" for a very very long time, but suprise suprise - the supremists were wrong! As you said, it was only a suggestion, and it was false.

"cripesd, there's the loony fringe and then there's completely, utterly barking..."

Funnily enough Martin Luther King was not considered to be part of the loony fringe - but infact barking mad....! So as somebody hinted earlier, thanks for the complement...

LFB Support Team

The final solution...

03.06.2008 18:14

Hey everyone! I think I've got the perfect solution. Lets eat the idiots! Poor quality protein, but then we don't need nearly as much protein as we think.

hannibal (not the elephant riding one...)

British vegetarianism is not representative of ethics

03.06.2008 18:26

The reason so many British people are veggie is because traditionally, British people don't know how to cook. It makes sense to eat a bland diet when you're unable to appreciate food. Most British vegetarians are utilitarian vegetarians, not ethical vegetarians. The number of veggies in countries with good cuisine in continental Europe are much, much lower.

anonymous

Official facts about food

03.06.2008 21:40

The chinese and the indian have the best cusine, that is a fact, followed by the Italians. It has been proven. All of these countries cater fantastically for vegans and vegetarians. Infact, it's another fact that 3/4 of the chinese population are infact vegan, but it is surprised by your right wing BBC. English food is based on stuff like cottage pie, and steak and kidney pie, and mince pie, etc. so I agree with you that the English like rubbish food.

Today I ate pasta for both lunch and dinner. Yesterday for dinner I ate a whole packet of tofu, 4 samasosa, and 30 pieces of sushi but it was okay as I was weight lifting. I lift televisions instead of dumb bells.

Vegetarians and vegans are, generally, on the whole better looking, bigger endowed, and cleverer. This is another proven fact. That is why the usual bunch of spotty students don't really like them. Jealousy.

Anyway, you lot take the fun out of fundamentalism. Please shut up and give it a rest right now.

Antispe? are you lot honestly that insecure you give a flying bollocks? Up the Iralf.

Davey gravey

We're veggie cos we can't cook?

03.06.2008 21:59

Ridiculous. Come on, that is the most spurious argument I've ever heard. Every single 'traditional british dish' that I can think of is crammed with meat - shepherd's pie? Minced meat. Full English? Sausage, bacon. Cornish pasty? Diced or minced meat. Bangers and mash? Sausage. The list goes on.
On the other hand, look at the cuisine from abroad that we've imported from the East - some is meat, but on the other hand, there's tofu, tempeh, vegetable curries, vegetable stir fries, falafel, couscous, etc. Nobody's going to argue that the Indians and Chinese can't cook.
If anything, it's easier to make a meat dish taste interesting with no talent than a purely vegetable or soy-based dish. As everyone who's tried it knows, tofu doesn't really taste of anything by itself, for instance.
You're really clutching at straws here, aren't you? I think you got the short one with an argument like that.

Rogue

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Fight Speciesism #1 - Out Now!

Comments

any articles by non human animals?

Hyporitical humanocentric mossad lackeys key impediment to peace

silly!

I am amazing

@ flea

Surely..

Re: silly!

I can't help but feel

Re: Rouge

Um

I wish i was as pretentious as niemoller flew short haul

Vanguard

RE: miserablist

loony

Re: DaanSaaf

The final solution...

British vegetarianism is not representative of ethics

Official facts about food

We're veggie cos we can't cook?

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