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BBC mind games and trickery self-evident in WTC 7 programme

dh | 06.07.2008 22:42

Did you see the increasing turnaround of apparent real challenges to the official stories with clearly bought off and involved "experts"?
Some preliminary analysis here

 http://www.truthforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=135&p=466#p466

I've just finished watching and recording the BBC Conspiracy Files programme about the Tower Seven collapse. Here are my initial reactions:

What the BBC does with programmes like this is basically first to confuse the average listener with myriad detail and then get an 'expert' or 'authority' to make the final summing-up. They are using the psychological ploy that a confused or destabilised mind will look for an authority figure to guide it out of the confusion. That is precisely what the BBC tries with this programme.

Secondly, by losing everyone in the minutiae of the Tower Seven Collapse the BBC distracts the viewer from the basic, unanswered questions on the main event which Rab on Medialens has put rather well:

"1 - How could Al Qaeda (AQ) arrange for the visas for the 19 alleged hijackers if some of them were on a watch list (and that's before discussing identity theft as some of the 19 are still alive and were never in the U.S.) and how could they get them safely through immigration?

2 - How could AQ get the FBI to pull back many of their investigations into AQ in the U.S. before 9-11, investigations that could have stopped the events from happening?

3 - How could AQ have ensured the numerous war games held on 9-11 would actually be held (and how could they have found out these were going to be held as these ensured resources were stretched on that day?) and ensured they were not cancelled when their 9-11 events started?

4 - How could AQ have ensured that none of all the fighter / interceptors the U.S. possesses would be scrambled to stop 9-11 and when eventually scrambled how could they ensure they were sent the wrong way out to sea or to provide air cover over the wrong cities when exactly those kind of intercept missions had been successfully and quickly conducted 91 times in the previous year?

5 - How could AQ ensure their 'pilots' who could barely fly in some cases would actually be able to stay on course and not miss the targets?

6 - How could AQ ensure that none of the surface to air missiles that protect the pentagon would be launched when the alleged airliner that hit the pentagon approached (see here the stuff about Cheney being asked if the orders still stood as a plane was 30 miles out - he said yes according to Norman Mineta and defensive measures were never taken even though any plane approaching without a valid U.S. military transponder is targetted, a system that lead to a UK plane being shot down in the ME by the U.S.)?

7 - How could AQ ensure the Bush regime would ignore the many warnings about an attack on 9-11 given to them by many security agences around the world including many from the U.S.'s own sources?

8 - How, given that no fire had ever caused a steel framed building to collapse into its own footprint despite there being many bigger and longer lasting fires in much smaller, weaker buildings; given that the first firemen on the scene said they only needed two hoses as the fire was small; given the huge plumes of smoke meaning less flames and heat; given the fact that airline fuels burns at a much lower temperature than that needed to melt or weaken steel yet molten steel was found in the ruins in the basement; given that video evidence shows white smoke coming from the base of the WTC before the collapse and many eyewitnesses spoke of explosions in the basement; given that hundreds of structural engineers and demolition experts from around the world have said it was a controlled demolition; taking all this into consideration to reach the only conclusion scientifically possible - that of explosives in the building, how could AQ have gotten access to the building for the time necessary to plant explosives and without any prying eyes around to see what they were doing?

9 - How, given the fact that there was a two day power down in the weeks prior to 9-11 when all security cameras were switched off, the building emptied and bomb sniffer dogs taken away never to return just for a so-called internet rewiring organised by the firm in charge of security, a firm run by Bush's younger brother and cousin, could AQ have infiltrated this firm enough to organise all this without triggering any suspicions?"

During the 'seventies, in the days when I was active in the UK Anti-Nuclear Campaign, we soon found out not to allow ourselves to be drawn down the never-ending path of discussing the minutiae of the argument about nuclear power technology which the pro-nuclear groups, particularly the UKAEA, would invariably try to take us. Even if a few activists were technically au fait with a lot of the technical detail such a ploy was deliberately aimed at confusing and losing the greater part of the audience. It was always best to stick with the core essentials of the argument.

I have every reason to believe that we would do best to adhere to such a policy here as well. Having said that, various apparent glaring inconsistencies about tonight's programme --eg. why were Larry Silverstein's comments about his decision to pull the building not taken at face value to mean exactly what was meant when he made them?-- are already surfacing ...

dh

Comments

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What's wrong now...?

06.07.2008 23:30

I know where you are coming from and *this story is not over*. That said, the programme was only about Building 7, not the identities of the hijackers or why it was that a group of people wanted to take out the headquarters of the military and sabotage the stockmarket on what happened to be the opening day of a rather large arms-trade fair.

If you look at all of the conspiracy theories in the public domain they all ask about *what* instead of *who*. This has not been helpful to the people that were in New York that day. A lot of stupid things have been said and I wonder who is really behind the promotion of the conspiracies. It is as if a wild-goose-chase has been setup to dupe people into looking the wrong way. That said, there was a lot of fear around the time and it is easier to get distracted by the conspiracies than to look into things properly.

You are right in that al-qaeda were a made up group that could not have had any involvement in the hijackings. You are right in that the government do have something to hide. The smug people that believe the al-qaeda lies are just as retarded as the people that believe that explosives were planted in the buildings or that no plane hit the pentagon. Perhaps the people that were most stupid of all were the Clinton Government, they were duped by the PNAC-Contintuity of Government crowd that were not in power at the time. They were feeding them 'al-qida' nonsense from the Embassy Bombings onwards.

There is one area where I believe that the events are still up for discussion. That is in regard to the fourth plane - Flight UA93. It is not clear why that was delayed on the day by forty minutes and the debris field and subsequent stone-walled investigation is indicative of a shoot down.

Given how everyone that watched television that day has subsequently behaved I am not sure that anyone deserves the truth. If people are only prepared to believe it was either a) al-qaeda or b) inside-job then total war for 75 years is just punishment for the cowardice and collective lack of imagination.

This documentary closes down conspiracy theories for 99% of the viewers, so it is now al-qaeda by default. It has to be, even if there is no supporting evidence - so there. Long live The War Against Terrorism.

Daisy Cutter


Actually that's bollocks Daisy

07.07.2008 00:16

The programme had enough juice in it to jolt the casual viewer just a little bit
Imo part of the softening up process where some part of the Bush administration is revealed to be party eventually
The US needs to be taken down a strip in order to be made a subservient region of the North American Union, in itself a subjugate part of the world government

dh


Wrong question about Larry...

07.07.2008 00:26

Again, there is bait and switch at every level with this 'investigation' and the stuff the conspiracy theorists ramble on about. There are many interpretations of 'pull it', it is a firefighting term for pulling on the hose, 'it' could be the firefighting operation or whatever is supposed to be 'explosives'. There is no way you are going to conclusively get to the answer to that, furthermore it is the wrong question.
If you want a good question, how about this. How come Larry and his family did not get to their desks in the WTC that morning? The answer to that can be researched a lot more conclusively than the 'pull it' phrase. Foreknowledge is what you want Larry to have had, not 'explosives'...

Zacarius Moussoui


there is no 9-11 conspiracy

07.07.2008 04:33

I think this website does more than almost any other to detail how incompetent the Bush administration it. Do we honestly believe they could pull off something so big like this?

I think it would require thousands of Police officers, Air Traffic Controlers, Pentagon Ofiicials, white house officials, actors, airport staff, Firefighters, demolition experts etc to keep quiet.

Loose Change had so many mistakes in it i don't think you can count it as a piece of academia at all. The director's excuse for this - he put the mistakes in on purpose so people would do their own research. HA!

Michael
- Homepage: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons


Excellent

07.07.2008 09:49

I thought it was an excellent programme that showed, as does this article, that when faced with evidence that contradicts the conspiracy theories, the only response is to start accusing people actually involved of being liars. When one expert said that he was using a simile regarding the crash of flight 93, you could tell from the blank expression on the conspiracy theorist that he didn't have a clue what the word meant! Ha ha!

Wat Tyler


The final summing-up!

07.07.2008 11:32

Since that day 2+2 = 5

I mean it’s just unfeasible, even if it were due to fire its collapse would not be so symmetrical and forgive the term “controlled” .
If things were so easy to bring down I would fear for anyone in any tower no matter how modern and demolition company’s better rethink their methods of bringing down steel structures ,”Just light a few fires guys and she will be down in a few hours”

Yes its that farcical and yet you are asked to believe it…..More than that they tell you You got to be NUTS to think it could be anything …anything OTHER than that !

Ask yourself this:

1. Do Governments Lie to the people they represent!

Yes/no answers please :o)

2. Did the American Government Lie to the people AND the World about events leading up to and including the aftermath left by 9/11.

Think about air quality, no” idea” terrorists would use planes and the Iraqis WMD 45 Mins in front of the whole UN.

3. Have genuine National security Secrets EVER remained secret for the period determined without EVER being leaked to the public.

I can't say I know of any so have to presume yes!

So you see that going on its own track record, why should anyone ever believe Government.

I personally believe you have to be soft in the head to ever think it was an al-Qaeda operation and that no other Government was involved.


I do know one true fact:
My own Government is more of a danger to me and my family’s liberty and freedom Now than Terrorists have ever been!

GO FIGURE!

Tris


Shoddy Documentary

07.07.2008 12:11

The poster who called themselves Zacarius Moussoui said in reference to the quote by the owner of Building 7 - Larry Silverstein - who said on film that the decision was made to "pull it" (widely intepreted as referring to the 'controlled demolition of the building'): "There are many interpretations of 'pull it', it is a firefighting term for pulling on the hose, 'it' could be the firefighting operation or whatever is supposed to be 'explosives'."

> That what I call spinning a yarn. What nonsense.

Clearly, the intepretation that the building fell at free-fall speed must mean that the metal structure melted at precisely the same rate within the building, so allowing the building to fall on it's own footprint in one complete motion! Also, the BBC documentary explain that no detonation occured at the base of the building because no windows in neighbouring buildings suffered any damage. So, no underground explosion could have occured obviously (we now know there was access to the basement!)

Finally, the BBC just plain ignored the evidence which they even presented earlier in the documentary by the expert who found traces of Thermite explosive in the dust after the buildings had collapsed.
Read more here:
 http://911review.com/articles/ryan/nist_thermite_connection.html

Bullshit Detector


The mysterious case of Barry Jennings

07.07.2008 12:27

this was removed from the newswire in the early hours:

9-11 Contradictions: The mysterious case of Barry Jennings:

by brian
07.07.2008 03:15

some time ago, Barry Jennings, Deputy Director, Emergency Services Department, New York City Housing Authority, as interviewed by Loose Change crew and reported dead bodies and explosions in WTC7. But recently, he has changed his tune. Why?

Here is the story:

 http://www.infowars.com/?p=2807

Jennings speaks a year ago:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8LivSW9zLg&feature=related

he clearly says(5.47 on)

'And the firefighter that took us down kept saying, do not look down:
And i kept saying : why?...and...stepping over people. And you know you can feel when you are stepping over people'


BUT on BBC site we have this:

'Did anyone die in the collapse of Tower 7?

There is no evidence that anyone died in Tower 7 on 9/11. However, conspiracy talk shows and websites seized on a recent interview for Loose Change with the crucial eyewitness Barry Jennings.

The writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery, told The Conspiracy Files: "The amount of detail that Barry gave us in this interview was unreal. He says he was stepping over dead bodies in the lobby."

Barry Jennings himself disagrees with their interpretation of his words. Barry Jennings told the BBC: "I didn't like the way you know I was portrayed. They portrayed me as seeing dead bodies. I never saw dead bodies"

Dylan Avery is adamant that he didn't take anything out of context. He played The Conspiracy Files a recording of Barry Jennings words: "The fire fighter who took us down kept saying do not look down. And I kept saying why.

"He said do not look down. And we're stepping over people and you know you could feel when you're stepping over people."

However, Barry Jennings told the BBC: "I said it felt like I was stepping over them but I never saw any.

"And you know that's the way they portrayed me and I didn't appreciate that so I told them to pull my interview."
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/7434230.stm

Why did Jennings change his mind. Because the above BBC account is not true. Jennings is lying, as we have the original account from 2007.(above)

This is just like an earlier recanter: Dr. Van D. Romero

The account of a year ago clearly has Jennings hearing explosions BEFORE he sees dead bodies. But he uses the word ' seeing'....the initial interview he doesnt use the word seeing, so this is straw man. But he is clear in knowing there were human bodies there.
So BBC, not surprisingly has him lying

Jennings needs to be confronted with his 9-11 Contradictions

Bullshit Detector


911_morons eh Michael !

07.07.2008 12:33


From your site:

Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

I guess allowing or telling the 911 responders (eye witness's) and all New yorkers they were safe shows how ethical their government really is!


The 9/11 Cover-Up
Thousands of New Yorkers were endangered by WTC debris—and government malfeasance.

 http://discovermagazine.com/2007/oct/the-9-11-cover-up

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