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I, like many anarchos, will only be in London for the daytime on saturday. I'm allergic to demos in that London and only got there for the bookfair these days. By all means get something going, but don't be surprised when lots of us out-of-towners head for victoria station to get the coach home come 6pm.

Yeah, i'm an out of towner aswell, im not suggesting anything specific, just trying to get a debate going on the merits/logistics of an action/demo on the day.

Being Saturday, the most obvious targets will be shut and the surrounding areas deserted. That's not a reason for doing nowt, of course. Many (only slightly) less obvious targets available.

Lots of people in London or heading there have all sorts of commitments over the weekend. It's a busy time, so don't necessarily bank on a huge horde. The number of people who're just footloose and free to get involved may not be as big as you think.

Anyone cooking summat up should try to make it hard-hitting and eloquent, but doable whatever the turnout. A farcical arrest-fest with little impact would be a downer, and not what we need at all.

For a number of reasons.

Firstly, the bookfair is primarily a social event for most attendees, very little is actually organised there. I've been to all of them since 2003 and this is the case - groups and actions do not get organised at the bookfair. Mayday hasn't, for instance. Lots of valuable networking happens, but that's not the same thing. People will have drifted to various pubs throughout the day, and then on to a number of gigs and parties (i can think of about 4) - there might be thousands of anarchists but they won't be in one place at one time.

Secondly the fair is miles from the City. This is only a problem if you wanted to go there, but there are no obvious ideas for an action round Queen Mary's (it's actually quite a nice campus near some nice green space, in a nice working class area. There's a bank machine, and a sainsbury's - best symbols of capital in walking distance).

Thirdly if anarchists were up for financial crisis related shenanigans then they'd have been at the City demo last friday in decent numbers. Now, there were anarcho's at the demo, but in way smaller numbers than would give you any hope for their own private action. Also if your calling something, you should probs have some idea what and especially why - like some reasons to give people why you are taking whatever action. Otherwise its a bit pointless.

Your best bet would be to work out an action plan then hand out flyers with a meet up point and time at the fair. Personally, i'll be in the pub networking after having been on a stall, networking. I'll have loads of out of towners to meet, direct etc. - not really up for it.

why don't ypou think about calling something in a couple of weeks?

Or support the Schroders investment bank cleaners demo against low wages and upcoming redundancies:

31 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7QA on Friday 17 October 2008 at 1pm (previously 5pm)

A good place to bring the issues together.

Good idea, antischroder, for people in London or arriving by 1ish on Friday.

Alternatively, people crashing in London on Saturday night might be able to stay Sunday night as well and get together with London people to do summat Monday morning? Then it could be in the City or fucken "Docklands" * rather than in Mile End, where the bookfair is. That's a still not too gentrified working class area.

* A wanky name invented by developers and estate agents after all the docks had been closed. It's really the Isle of Dogs or Millwall, and it's now stuffed with City overspill -bank head offices and all sorts of bastards.