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Free speech on Indy?

Paul | 04.03.2009 10:52 | Animal Liberation

What has happened to the freedoms of speech we once enjoyed on Indy?

Over the past few months I've noticed that comments are being deleted and I can't see another reason than it's not supporting the editor of the articles view. This is more so with article responses in the animal liberation section.

I can understand that Indy has to protect itself from certain information but posts should stand when this isn't the case.

I believe that it is testament to a movement if they can't stand up to constructive criticism or face facts that go against their flawed article.

Let's get back to a well balanced indy.

Paul

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RE:paul

04.03.2009 11:27

I can see why indymedia are doing it, with so many trolls and cops posting on here there was no balance, i have seen plenty of contsructivve critisism left up here for people to read and lots of false or obvious troll comments removed i think you are right and there needs to be a balance but at the moment i beleive it is being met as best as possible. im sure that some comments have been deleted that where not put up by shacwatch/cops ect but that was bound to happen. if you want indymedia to become the place where police try and split groups and cause arguments over nothing then thats fine but i would rather a few comments got deleted than that be the case.
also could you please expand on "facts that go against their flawed article. " as im not sure what post you are relating to exactly.

the angel to pauls devil

It's all true

04.03.2009 11:48

The most outrageous behavior from mods recently was the efforts they took to try to stop information about their use of ip monitoring tools within the indymedia cms. They not only hide dozens of comments and articles about it but went to the extreme lengths of deleting emails from the indymedia public archives.

There appears to be an unwritten rules that hiding comments don't require reporting on the public lists so vast numbers are hidden without any recourse or accountability.

Indy has gone massively down hill but I don't know what can be done about it.

reclaim the media

I'm loving

04.03.2009 11:52

instead.

I don't think Indymedia is a 'free-speech' site, whatever that means, nor do I think it should be. I don't think people have the right to incite people to racism, as just one example, and there are many. But either way, many people who post or comment on here do so with this idea of total free speech. That's not what IMC was set up for, and it's totally in the moderators remit to keep it for what it is supposed to be, which includes an open publishing forum, but not one for total 'say what you like and fuck the rest' speech (that's built on some individualist right-wing libertarian bullshit base).

thank you. rant over.

angels

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Agree entirely

04.03.2009 12:10

Nearly every time I've posted about the Camden lab, my comments have been deleted. It's the only time I've seen this happen consistently to my postings, so it's struck me as strange too.

This has baffled me, as nothing I have written has breached the guidelines. The point I've made has been a polite and factual correction, as I feel sympathy for the campaign's concerns.

(All I've pointed out is that, if the lab is to be containment level 3, as the campaign keeps stating, then, by definition, it won't contain any "super viruses" - they'd go in a containment level 4 lab. I've also pointed out that a containment level 3 lab in London is not such an oddity, as there are around 800 of the things in the UK).

These points would seem worth addressing, and debating, if the campaign wants to avoid having big holes in its claims to the public.

Norville B

I agree with Angels

04.03.2009 12:17

Indymedia isn't meant to be a like a myspace message wall and does need to be kept useful as a information and news resource. ranting and slagging people off just isn't on and the comments section is usually dire.

on the other hand, i agree that the admins behaved terribly other the ip login issue and they really shouldn't be allowed to just hide what they like without anyway to see who did it or why.

angels advocate

Censorship Rocks

04.03.2009 12:25

You have no idea what kinda shit people post as comments. There a people who are here with one purpose in mind and that is to fuck us all up with their posts. Without the admins hiding these trolls indymedia would be awash with misinformation and our movements would suffer for it.

This is not a free speech site and never intended to be

Admins Advocate