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http://underclassrising.net/ | 19.04.2009 19:16 | Repression | World

The SWP has taken advantage of the political vacuum left by anarcho-inactivity and set up its own Justice For Ian Tomlinson campaign grafting on its usual cronies in the Muslim Association of Britain and Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Meanwhile the ANARCHIST are invisible - failing to take advantage of te biggest anti-police feeling for decades.


If the trots have taken over the campaign, it’s being served even worse by them than usual. Hvaeing seen the protest outside Scotland Yard then the protest outside the City of London Police HQ - both had pisspoor attendances.

There is a choice. ANARCHIST can leave this important matter in the hands of the effete and ineffectual trots, or they can take on the challenge. If they leave this alone, then the trots will make a bollox of it like they do with everything. The trots weren’t fucking there on 1 April - ANARCHIST was - and it’s a fucking insult, not only to poor Mr Tomlinson’s family, but also to those who were out, that they (the trots) have got their hands on this campaign without any difficulty.

If the ANARCHIST continue the way there going, they also leave the campaign very much in the fickle hands of the media. It’s time for the ANARCHIST movement (if there is one?) to now stand up and be counted. Not just for Ian Tomlinson. But also for the hundreds of people assaulted by the police on 1 and 2 April, and for the people who’ve suffered at the hands of the police over the years. The police are very rarely in this position, of being on the run.

Trots with their sycophantic,crocodile tears for the family and friends of the deceased, or,us outside the hearing with the guillotine from the Movement Against Monnerchy demo planted fairly and squarely right in front of a thousand aANARCHIST and friends screaming for our own justice.

And what about the thousands of other people of police thuggery that coped it on the streets of brutal Britain; why can’t we open a forum for these people to air their experience,and direct them straight to the biggest anti Police movement/march for decades.This is a chance for us to meet working class victims of the police and importantly for us,to air some of our own alternatives to the Police ,such as ’self control’ of working class areas.


Another golden opportunity for The so called ANRCHIST movement to kick a goal-if we stand up and go public. What about a campaign of leaflets(similar to the build up leafleting to the G20 conference) urging people who have suffered at the hands of the cops.This is us walking into estates and meeting real people and inviting them and their raw working class experience to a meetings.

Its also ANOTHER opportunity to ask the so called, ANARCHIST movement,what are our REAL alternatives to the cops. Do we have any? Or are they going to continue to call for “Demolish the Prisons” and “Abolish the Police”…..and other empty sloganeering. Most importantly,what about real,street level payback for Ian Tomlinson…..we are sure that ‘7000 strong ANARCHIST Batallion’ in Europe would do more than throw a tantrum over a murdered comrade

The trots here are simply doing what Trots always do - taking over a campaign for their own ends, if they continue to hold the reins, they will lead the wagon into a tree. ANARCHIST on the other hand must show their own values in any response, not just ape the Trots. Already ANARCHIST are uinmasking those cops who were witnesses or accomplices to the Tomlinson assault and the dog attack on Threadneedle Street and the Climate Camp clearance on Bishopsgate.

Anarchists are working hard to ascertain the command and control of the G20 policing operation, right down to frontline orders. The future viability of the FIT and the doctrine of political policing as developed over the past ten years and more is at stake. Experienced FIT officers may well be shown to be directly and undeniably culpable; those higher up the food chain might potentially fall.

ANARCHIST have been leading by example and not trusting to the IPCC or the ‘normal channels’, (at a time when much of the general public shares that mistrust), choosing instead to investigate openly, and share findings publicly - names, faces, actions, responsibilities, all outlined. If all you do is ‘protest’ our horror, then you shall only follow in the wake of others.

If they instead to ‘demonstrate’ how we feel killer cops should be treated, by rooting out them and their three-monkeys colleagues, by exposing the whole rotten system from top to bottom, by offering real, practical ways of dealing with genuinely anti-social crime, then they lead by example. If not us, who? If not now, when? Ian Tomlinson was killed because they thought he was one of us. We owe it to him, to his family, to his friends, to make sure that the cops don’t get away with it.


So we repeat here and agree - to keep the momentum going - Sir Paul Stephenson addresses the first full meeting of the MPA since Ian Tomlinson’s death at 10 am April 30th City Hall. We must be there in the public gallery and outside to kettle him. It’s the very least we can do. BE THERE!

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Comments

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Oi Underclass

19.04.2009 19:31

Shut up you fool, the SWP are one thing, you're boardering on similar...

Anarchist


Instead of whinging, why not do it yourself?

19.04.2009 20:25

Instead of whinging about other people not doing it, why not do it yourself?

anon


do it then

19.04.2009 20:36

underclass instead of telling the ANARCHIST what to do why not try to be one and just DO IT

are you part of the "so called anarchist movement?" or just standing outside criticising and giving orders?

there were probably as many trots as anarchists out on 010409 and at least as many who defined themselves as neither

working class vs middle class

anarchist vs trot vs green

the ruling class are laughing from well behind the division lines

homsap


who the fuck

19.04.2009 20:54

just who do you think is doing the work of researching, gathering and reviewing evidence and feeding it to the media to drive forward the wholesale attack on the cops? it sure as hell aint the SWP

where do you (underclassrising) get off commenting on our action on this from your own position of ignorance and apparent non involvement?


@


you

19.04.2009 20:59

talked shit before the g20 about how people should not go

now this crap, make yer fucking mind up you are just as opportunistic as the swp

ballz


Trots love a bit of political capital

19.04.2009 21:01

The anarchist movement has got its head screwed on at the minute. Whilst the police response, regardless of Tomlinson's death, was awful, there is actually workplace class struggle occurring in Enfield as we speak, and supporting that with the limited numbers we have must come first. We can always ruck with the police, but we can't always support workers.

Anarcho


?

19.04.2009 21:09

i agree with the principles of this argument, SWP are incredibly devisive. but why not stand shoulder to shoulder? where was ANRCHIST in january? not with SWP, BMI and Palestine Solidarity Campaign thats clear. whats all this bullshit about working class areas anyway? cant be so driven by such antiquated terminology.
time is right though, we need to drive forward with this nd push the issue as far as it will go. lets not make tomlinson a martyr, its not our place to hold him up so.

anon


attack:

19.04.2009 21:35

We live in Sheffield we not proclaim to be part of any so called anarchist movement there aint one as far as we can see, a death of a non protester should not be used for the politcal gain agreed, this is not what we doing, there can not be justice for Ian with the present order full stop..

Regards the other comments, what you come to expect, the admin will no doubt hide this, we come to expect this, and the attacks..

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a longer thought

19.04.2009 21:49

The only justice for Ian would not be the reform or any public enq etc, it would be the complete smashing of the state, look at the protest around G20, done by fear and intimidation, perhaps if there was an anarchist movement that was organised and militant The Filth might just think twice about attacking protesters, also killing one of them, perhaps if the so called anarchist movement had done as promised it said and had a riot we might not be where we are today.

Allwe have seen is the sheep, getting beaten attacked and kicked, it is perhaps to utopian for us to ask, where is the militant anarchist movement, there is not one and if there was would the trots as they have done be empowered by the lack of an anarchist movement of course not, this is not to remove the very good work of some anarchist, but a few dose not make a movement

us


i'm a trot and i was there...

19.04.2009 22:28

err im a "trot" and i was there in and around the bank protest and on cornfeild street when ian collapsed, i even saw him being beaten, shunned by a police van and beaten again. yes i've given evidence to the IPCC and no i'm not very confident that will do much- as allways the real change will happen on the streets, in the workplace and working class communties. I'm even in the swp! (oh shit- i've really let myself in for it now) trust me there's a few cretins in the party, but then there's a few in the anarchist movement aswell. But as long as we spend more time bitching about each other on the internet than partaking in working class resistance then the ruling class and all their pig lakeys are laughing. obviously we need to have proper, and yes harsh, tactical and theoretical disscussions to push the movement forwards. yes, It is frustrating working with reactionary 'community leaders' and that but the point is were trying to win people away from them read '"leftwing" communism and infintile disorder' by lenin its all explained there.
Anyway's good luck to the anarchist movement, we have differences but alot of you are fucking good revolutionaries- Just don't join the navy and revolt against the workers state, i'd hate for things to get messy. (sorry that propley isn't very funny)

trot.


comment

20.04.2009 06:53

Underclass rising is just one person so I don't understand why he uses "We" as he means it in the royal sense.

As for trot. Look at your history, it has imposed itself on workers struggles. It has been opportunistic and parasitical. The bulk of the SWP were at the american embassy on April 1st for another dismal islamic/trot love-in with the SAME FUCKING SPEAKERS!

And you comments about Kronstadt, typical trot comment. Now what is that anarcho chant

"First the bosses, then the cops, then the journos then the trots" - comrades I think we have a game plan :-0)

London Anarchist


Only on Indymedia...

20.04.2009 12:58

Underclassrising, there's no anarchist movement in Sheffield? So the Anarchist Federation group there is what exactly? Do you mean there's no movement that's just concerned with bricking coppers? Well yeah, I'm afraid that's the case. Some of us believe in actual class struggle. Mental eh?

And Trots have no semblance of reality. You really think giving some Islamists a read of Lenin will turn them in to state capitalist morons like you? If it was that easy, don't you think we'd have communism (or hell if you lot are anywhere near it) by now? Get a grip.

Anarcho


@Only on Indymedia...

20.04.2009 13:27

As you full well know this aint fact, we wellcome afed in sheffield, but student occupations with the middle class aint forwording the class strugle is it comrades? i know what come out with us for a few days and lets see, we do far more than riot, but who said underclassrising was either the vangard?

@


Aye, that's helpful.

20.04.2009 18:20

Useless cultural definitions of people aside, what exactly do you not find radical about students from various political thinking engaging in direct democracy and occupations?

Plus, lets not be silly, this isn't all Sheffield AF have ever done. Saying there's no anarchist movement there is nonsense.

Anarcho


For anon & trot

21.04.2009 04:51

Anon is wrong. Large numbers of anarchs were out in January. We just went and got shoved around, kicked, batoned etc. by cops like everybody else. The fact we weren't parading some big identity (though there were plenty of B&R flags) or stunt doesn't mean we weren't there. This stiff old anarcho-fartist is grateful to some SWP-inclined young Muslims for helping him get into the locked-up Kensington Gardens and thus escape only slightly bruised. Didn't stop for a political discussion.

Trot is to be congratulated for at least being there -in the right place- on 1st April. Don't think many of his / her comrades were. He or she will have been marked absent on the party register down at Trafalgar Square, where I believe their event was moved from the planned venue at the US embassy. Presumably the cops reckoned they couldn't spare the numbers to protect the embassy, but Trafalgar Square would be easy for them, and the Trots complied. I'm guessing, but isn't that how it went? Pah! Couldn't even manage a holding diversion!

Anyway, trot, I hope you make a similar decision on another occasion. See you where it counts, and welcome! Yeah, follow your own judgment about where it's most useful to be and what to do, and don't let the "leadership" decide for you. That way, we might get to discussing some real politics instead of the party line. I mean the sort of politics which is developed -sometimes very quickly and profoundly- from action and experience.

The rest of you, lay off trot, eh? At least he / she was there with us and not where the party said, with Benn, Galloway etc. Hands up all those anarchs who spent a year or two passing through the SWP when they were young and naive.

Stroppyoldgit


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