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So why is it that the BNP seems to be seen as an acceptable vote?

Info | 01.06.2009 07:56 | Sheffield


So why is it that the BNP seems to be seen as an acceptable vote, either as a protest against the main parties, or because they ‘offer something the other parties don’t to the man in the street’ and ‘are prepared to talk about immigration’?

What about the fact that the BNP advocate sending home anyone who has not got a white British heritage? What about the fact that the BNP is on record stating that the holocaust was not a deliberate genocide but more the fact that the Nazis’ shot 50 locals for every soldier killed and this makes up the c6m murdered in WWII? What about the fact that the BNP associate with the KKK in the USA, ultra-right groups from across Europe and neo-nazi groups closer to home?

What about the fact that beneath their suits and smile, beneath the hard work done for older people in their front gardens in target seats, beneath the local issues fought on, from planning applications to saving playing fields, the BNP are right wing fascists who think that people who have a different skin tone are second class and have no right to live here.

How do people who think the BNP is a valid protest vote, or ’speaks for them on issues’, sleep at night? How do they contemplate putting a cross in the box of a party that would send ‘home’ anyone who was of a different race in an effort to recreate a Britain of 1914?

Nick Griffin and the BNP praise the work of the Waffen SS in the Second World War, they associate with Nazis in Europe, they deny aspects of the holocaust, they campaign against Islam and Judaism and wrap themselves in the flag of our country pretending that they are fighting some apocalyptic battle to save Britain. They are really a party that beneath the veneer is a party of hatred and intolerance, feeding on people’s insecurities and fears to paint a picture of a land where the indigenous population are ’sacrificed’ by a government more interested in promoting foreign values. This is a myth and a lie.

In 1998 Nick Griffin said “I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the Earth was flat … I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria”

Early in 2008 the BNP distributed a leaflet in the north west of England, where Griffin will head the BNP list in the European elections, which claimed Muslims were responsible for 95% of the heroin trade.

In 1997 Nick Griffin produced Who are the Mindbenders? Adapted from a US Nazi publication of the same name, it claimed to prove that the minds of British people are brainwashed through Jewish control of the media. The booklet included a list of all known Jews working in the media as though they were working together for a joint cause. He claimed to prove Jewish control of the BBC by naming a mere 19 Jews who work for the corporation.

There are undoubtably debates that need to be have about immigration to a small island nation, these can be had without reference to colour or creed. It is common sense that there should be a debate with Europe over how those fleeing horror at home are looked after and settled in safety and it is important that we never erode the reputation of our country as a safe haven to those who flee terror and murder. It is not good enough that people are willing to consider voting BNP just because they feel that the debate on immigration has not been given airtime by the Far left and Anarchist, and like the rest of there Middle Class friends tell us the White Working Class it is racism to talk about such concerns.

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Because he is pro-Israel and anti-muslim

01.06.2009 08:11

Those who run Labour since 12 years are going to put BNP into power because it is now the party who suits their zionist and racist agenda the best.

Just my 2c.

Bud


Slippery racists

01.06.2009 10:06

Whatever Nick Griffin said in 1997, the BNP has dropped its anti-Jewish stance. Jewish people are not debarred from membership of the BNP, whereas black and Asian people are. Whether any Jewish person would be daft enough to join the BNP is another matter, of course. Their racism is slippery as well as nasty, and right now they see more mileage in cranking up hatred against Muslims.

Stroppyoldgit


For the record,

01.06.2009 11:16

Bud


Come on support more direct democracy & Greens who have a good

01.06.2009 12:21

working class base & who really care about fairtrade & green issues. Just a shame theirs still go2od people on the hardlines with Marxism dictatorial tendencies it seems like "say no t to eu","respect" etc.
Direct democracy abit like in Switzerland& ancient greece, but with economic direct democracy also is acheivable& has many roots in anarchism. If some good people in coop party & others were up for it we could really have a real positive revolutionary situation in the UK

 http://www.stopnickgriffin.org.uk/sites/stopnickgriffin/election_info.html

Green syndicalist


This is an essential debate

01.06.2009 12:24

This is a debate that is overdue. The Left needs to figure out why anyone votes for the BNP if we are going to win the propaganda war against them. Winning the propaganda war is just as important as confronting them on the streets. But it seems to me that different left wing factiosn will do one of these things but not the other. For example, in Liverpool the anarchists have confronted the BNP when they've tried to set up stalls or leaflet in the city centre, and have severely cramped their ability to promote themselves. But it is the trade unions, Labour and socialist parties (all socialist parties, not just the SWP!) who have been handing out newspapers to discourage people from voting for them. Most of these left wingers won't get into physical confrontation, most anarchists won't hand out newspapers that mention "voting".
And I notice that there was a posting on Indymedia on 28th May about an anti-BNP demo in Manchester, on which the first two people to comment made rude and reactionary comments because they assumed the person who did the posting was in the SWP. Why?

To my mind, both verbal and physical confrontation are necessary.

People may vote for the BNP because they are not very politically aware, or politically sophisticated, and vote on the one issue that most interests them, which is not about race, but about some other policy - the BNP do have a few others which might sound superficially attractive to anybody who knows nothing much about them.
Some people hold an unreasoning nationalism (try watching any international football match in the pub!) which can cause them to vote for any party that appears nationalistic and pro working class.

Then again, I've heard that some middle class people both vote for or are members of the BNP. What the attraction is for them I don't know.

Maybe we should look at any survey of voters that has ben done recently and see if that gives us any clues.

Annie Citizen


More talk

01.06.2009 14:33

Look there is no need for discussion anymore.

The reason so many people find the BNP attractive is because they are racist fucking twats.

Yes, it's true. Just like in the last century in Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, Balkans etc etc etc

Stop talking and start organising a defence/attack against the bastards. Simple.

Realist


Anti-semites fuck off!

01.06.2009 17:39

" Because he is pro-Israel and anti-muslim
...
Those who run Labour since 12 years are going to put BNP into power because it is now the party who suits their zionist and racist agenda the best.

Just my 2c.

Bud "
And who would "those people" be, eh? The fascists are not a jewish conspiracy, for fuck's sake. Now zog on.

Anti-fascist


Annie Citizen

01.06.2009 18:47

>> The Left needs to figure out why anyone votes for the BNP if we are going to win the propaganda war against them. Winning the propaganda war is just as important as confronting them on the streets.

I'll give some time on that if you want to Q&A. But i won't bother with insults. I was getting close to voting for the BNP - I guess as some kind of protest vote. I would say the absolute primary reason for this is I feel the degree of immigration and the 'multicultural society' is, on the whole, having a bad effect on the UK.

My overall feeling is that the general UK population has let themselves be forced into a level of "appeasement". This manifests itself into seemingly requiring an above normal amount of resources and consideration being allocated to certain groups, in particular Muslims to try and keep them happy. An extreme example include the police letting Muslim leaders preach hate and getting a crowd to rant about "9/11 on its way, jihad on its way, UK your turn is next etc". I find it difficult to believe that any other group could do this outside across the road from big ben, but am entirely not surprised that a group of Muslims are allowed to do it. It is difficult not to believe that the government will do anything to build bridges rather than treat them as equals.

Some background... prior to living in a muslim area I always wondered what the fuss was about. Since moving out of a muslim area after about 7 years, I am so glad not to be there. Somewhere inbetween I developed an intolerance for certain aspects of how an average Muslim behaves towards me.

The idea of descriminating against someone because of the colour of their skin or where they were born etc still seems ludicous to me. So i don't consider myself racist based on ethnic or nationality attributes. If i am racist by some definition, to be honest it wouldn't bother me. Labelling comes secondary to knowing what i think & feel, I've seen the race card been pulled out because a Asian guy didn't want to pay for a bus ticket.... so hearing racist is like hearing someone cough.

What i do feel i am is quite intolerant with regard to "cultural" differences. I personally don't think there will be a successful integration. I don't see our main parties accept this or addressing it. I don't think people give discussion a chance and I don't think sweeping the problem under the carpet and forcing people how to think or feel about the situation is a very good way forward. After all, IF multicultural diversification isn't working..... is that such a bad thing? Or do we just have to put up with it and FORCE it into being. What advantages are there of forcing it?

Overall, I think most of the 'silent seething' attitude you will find is actually caused by the Government's handling of the situation. The appeasement and allocation of special resources to
continually assist in building bridges does not gain respect and does not show respect.

Its actually difficult to put this into words and i don't think i've done a good job of it. But you've asked and I've tried to answer. However, I wont be voting for the BNP because a) they are not qualified in doing anything, b) they are incompetent at even simple tasks like lying, c) they are racist for the sake of being racist.

Max


@max

01.06.2009 21:19

I've lived most of my life in multicultural areas and I much prefer it to some bigoted bumpkin all-white town. It always feels a big creepy to me when I go somewhere and there are no black faces on the streets.

But I don't think being against religion is the same as being racist. All organised religions are brainwashing hierarchical organisations that encourage unthinking dogma over reason and rationality. Just as long as we see that this applies to all religions: Christianity, Judaism and Islam alike, as well as the minor religions.

I think sometimes we overestimate the average BNP voter. I doubt most of them have any idea the BNP are hardcore racists with fascist underpinnings. They just think they are against "political correctness gone mad" or suchlike. They are mostly ignorant idiots rather than racists or fascists. A lot of people have zero interest in politics, news or current affairs and literally never watch, read or listen to the news, unless it is showbiz gossip or celebrity tittle-tattle.

I don't think I'm being patronising here, that's just how it is. Many people think their lives are stressful enough with just living from day to day, never mind worrying about wider issues.

I think the way to combat the BNP (apart from direct confrontation) is to constantly expose their fascist and neo-Nazi connections. Most of their potential voters would hate the idea of voting for an organisation that has much in common with Nazi Germany. This is why Nick Griffin and the BNP use images of Winston Churchill and so on, to try to rewrite history.

atheist


a thought

01.06.2009 23:43

> I think sometimes we overestimate the average BNP voter. [...] They are
> mostly ignorant idiots rather than racists or fascists.

Those three things (being an ignorant idiot, being racist and being a fascist) aren't mutually exclusive, y'know... :-)

And talking about 'political correctness gone mad' is almost always just an excuse to make racist comments.

.


@Anti-fascist

02.06.2009 07:29

"And who would "those people" be, eh? The fascists are not a jewish conspiracy, for fuck's sake. Now zog on."

First quick example : The UK

Tony Blair's personnal fundraiser is Lord Levy, dual British-Israeli citizen and self proclaimed zionist who owns one of the most expensive home in Israel.

Gordon Brown's personnal fundraiser is Sir Ronald Cohen, business partner of Lord Jacob Rothschild whose familly has funded the first jewish settlers in Palestine in the 19th century, donated the Knesset and Supreme Court buildings to Israel etc...

Second quick example : The US

George Bush' white house chief of staff was Joshuah Bolten, a member of the ultra-extremist and racist jewish sect Chabad-Lubavitch.

Barak Obama's white house chief of staff is Rahm Emanuel, dual US-Israeli citizen whose father trumpets in Israeli newspapers that arabs are just good to sweep floors.

Corridors of powers are literally massively infested by that kind of people but you don't want to see it, do you idiot ?

Bud


Stamp out anti-semitic crap!

02.06.2009 17:15

Could racist pricks please just get the hell out of indymedia?

"Tony Blair's personnal fundraiser is Lord Levy, dual British-Israeli citizen and self proclaimed zionist who owns one of the most expensive home in Israel.

Gordon Brown's personnal fundraiser is Sir Ronald Cohen, business partner of Lord Jacob Rothschild whose familly has funded the first jewish settlers in Palestine in the 19th century, donated the Knesset and Supreme Court buildings to Israel etc..."
Tony Blair is...a Christian. Gordon Brown is...another Christian.

"George Bush' white house chief of staff was Joshuah Bolten, a member of the ultra-extremist and racist jewish sect Chabad-Lubavitch.

Barak Obama's white house chief of staff is Rahm Emanuel, dual US-Israeli citizen whose father trumpets in Israeli newspapers that arabs are just good to sweep floors."
George Bush was... a Christian. Barack Obama is...another Christian. OMG, I've discovered a massive Christian conspiracy to take over the world! :O

"Corridors of powers are literally massively infested by that kind of people but you don't want to see it, do you idiot ?"
What kind of people? Rich people, usually men? I see it just fine. I can't think what other kinds of people you could be referring to.

Anti-fascist


There is no antisemitic crap here

03.06.2009 08:37

Blair and Brown are not christians, they are massmurdering conmen and they attacked Iraq for the sake of Israel.

Is a christan prime minister someone whom you would expect to celebrate jewish religious festivals at downing street with the Israeli ambassador ? Yes ? No ?

Is a christian prime minister someone whom you would expect to celebrate jewish religious festivals and sing hebrew hymns wearing a yarmulke on his head in Jerusalem along with Ehud Olmert ? Yes ? No ?

Sorry to say that Blair did both. Of course those events got almost no media attention unlike his ultra mediatized "conversion to catholicism".

I have shown you that both Blair and Brown get their funding through the skills of known super-zionist circles. Is that not enough to understand that those who bring them the money dictate their policies ? Is that not enough to understand that this is why the country who was deemed the most direct threat by israel and whose leader was the number one supporter of the palestinian cause got attacked and eliminated. Is that not enough to understand that this is why both Blair and Brown look elsewhere when Israel commits their atrocities in Lebanon or Gaza.

Just like their British counterparts Bush and Obama are not christians, they are are mass-murdering conmen who portray as christians and oblige with their policies the zionist extremists who fund them.

Bush has given much more importance to the celebration of the jewish religious festival of hannukah, which always looked like a cozy indoor familly affair, than he did for the christmas celebration which were relegated outdoors and where only the opportunity for him to address the nation for asking for more sacrifice in the CENTCOM wars (while carefully avoiding to ever use the word Jesus if I am not mistaken on that point).

Kinda odd as well to witness the christian Barak Obama presiding a jewish passover seder in his private white house kitchen....

But you are right dude, it's all about rich men. If those zionist extremists did not have that much money we certainly would not be waging their wars and commit genocides and ethnic cleansings for them.

As we are speaking about big money, I found extremely alarming the fact that the ultra-extremist and racist jewish sect Chabad-Lubavitch celebrated the religious festival of hannukah in the IMF premises last year at the invitation of its president Dominique Straus-Kahn. The event was also reportedely attended by hundreds of World Bank staff.

FYI the rabbis you see pictured cheering the IDF troops and providing spiritual guidance to them during the attacks on Lebanon on gaza are Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis.

Chabad -Lubavitch rabbis are also strongly present, guess where, in Guantanamo Bay, Bagram and Fallujah...

The Chabad-Lubavitch sect believes and propagates the belief that the entire universe has been created by god solely for the sake of the jews and that all non-jews are mere demonic emanations.

 http://www.geocities.com/alabasters_archive/nrp_and_settlers.html

Known friends of this sect are countless top politicians including Bush, Clinton, Giuliani, Thatcher, Putin, Barroso, etc... the list seems endless.

This sect is funded by zionist billionaires including Lev Leviev, Sheldon Adelson, Roman Abramovich, etc... the list seems also endless.

Zog on you said...

Bud


How do you know all this stuff?

03.06.2009 16:02

If there was a huge Jewish conspiracy to keep all this stuff secret, then why isn't it, um, secret? Wouldn't it be smarter for all these super-powerful secretive Jews who definitely exist and are in no way just a figment of your paranoid Nazi imagination to keep all this stuff completely covered up so you couldn't find out about it?
"Kinda odd as well to witness the christian Barak Obama presiding a jewish passover seder in his private white house kitchen." You've been in Obama's kitchen? :O

Anti-fascist


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