I think you missed the point, it went straight over your head. If I set up a campaign or not doesn't devalue my opinion of a certain spokesperson who has bulldozed his way through a few campaigns leaving them ruined! Yes it is easy to research on the internet and claim to have uncovered documentation that is already in the public domain, or even offer documentation years old to boost a campaign. What seems to be difficult for this particular spokesperson is to stick to a campaign without fucking it up!

B&K for instance, dropped like a hot brick, probably because it didn't attract enough activists at nationals... Covance campaign, no longer on the map. Bradford Uni, Leeds Uni, not much going on because a better option has come along that is further south. The southern campaigns have had massive support in years gone by, more so than the north.

Fair play to someone who is prepared to put their head on the chopping block in this current climate but stick to it. I can see a situation where people will see it for what it is and offer no support, now that can't be good can it? This is all going to end in tears and I can see a certain person spending many years in prison, it's on the cards for sure, it's just a matter of time.

I would bet a healthy sum that a long running investigation is centred around this spokesperson, giving enough rope to hang themselves. This is the police tactic of the day, to make sure they have enough for double figure prison time.

Running around attracting police attention is not my idea of effective campaigning, I wouldn't want to be seen around a person who will be lighting up the radar dragging others down in the process.

Anyone who takes part in this campaign will have their door kicked in for sure, now you don't see this happening to Animal Aid campaigners...

It's a farce.

centric mummy's boy

centric little mummy's boy.

"Covance - unacheivable with a hand full of activists, there's no denying that."

As one of the longest running anti vivisection campaigns covance has always had campaigners outside demonstrating. It was highly regarded and supported by many until it was rubbished by certain high profile campaigners, very publicly as well! Luke Steele run it into the ground bringing a respected old lady down with it then moved on to B&K because of the police bail conditions keeping him out of the area. Same happened at B&K.

"B&K - Still getting protests, althought it has now been taken over by Marshall and the site is not currently being used for breeding and is now just a sales office, for the moment."

B&K has also had regular demos going on for years, but this was not the point raised.

"Leeds Uni - In recent years, has there every been a campaign against Leeds Uni? No, but like any animal lab they get protests.

Bradford Uni - Still regular protests against them and their collaborators and it is, infact, progressing to a national level with the formation of the National Anti-Vivisection Alliance."

Again not attracted the support and that handful so we must deduce that the handful are not able to achieve their goals?

"The campaign you refer to as further down south, I'm guessing you're meaning Leicester. Leicester is not a campaign of one group, but part of a coalition which is focusing on every university in the country performing vivisection of which Leicester is the consorted campaign which every group involved is taking part in."

I wonder how many outfit changes and sunglasses Luke Steele will put on before the press realise he is the spokesperson for all the above?