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Mayor of London & Agent provocatuers v Brian Haw's PSPC

babs tucker | 28.06.2010 23:35 | Liverpool

A PUBLIC INQUIRY THANX into:
a) which part of DPP V Jones 1999 & the reasonable use of PUBLIC SPACE do the state not get?
 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ldjudgmt/jd990304/jones01.htm

THE MAYOR & AGENT PROVOCATEURS V BRIAN HAWS PARLIAMENT SQUARE PEACE CAMPAIGN
A PUBLIC INQUIRY THANX into:
a) which part of DPP V Jones 1999 & the reasonable use of PUBLIC SPACE do the state not get?

 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ldjudgmt/jd990304/jones01.htm

b) the illegal use of agent provocateurs to – repeatedly - bring “proceedings”.

(it is not good enough for Justice Griffith Williams to sidestep the issue by saying any injunction can apply to unknowns – when the issue is it is illegal to bring – let alone such serious ‘proceedings’ through the use of agent provocateurs)

In a very small area of central London, Parliament, the Metropolitan Police, CPS, Judiciary and quite a few London ‘human rights’ law firms, have been eternally sidestepping the fact that is admitted in the House of Lords ruling DPP v Jones 1999 that the state cannot interfere in a reasonable use of PUBLIC SPACE.

The state cannot lawfully treat people differently in a small part of Central London. The same law regarding what is the reasonable use of PUBLIC SPACE must apply throughout the country.

On 29th June 2010, in what is sure to be the latest sidestep by Justice Griffith- Williams who demonstrated previous spectacularly bad form, towards Brian Haw’s Parliament Square Peace Campaign, while he was sitting with the current President of the Supreme Court Lord Philips of Maltravers (Genocide – what Genocide ?) in Director of Public Prosecutions v Haw [2007] EWHC 1931 (Admin) (06 August 2007) will deliver another “ruling” at 2pm in the High Court in HQ10X01980, HQ10X01981.

This time the politician and oil traders darling will give his - judgement – over whether a politician: ie Boris can arbitrarily get a High Court Injunction to send anyone to prison who dares to peacefully campaign in a PUBLIC SPACE, in a small area of Central London outside err...government.

This has been rather a curious “case” for all manner of reasons.

The fairy tale that is currently (not) being spun (entirely smoothly) seems to be that SOCPA 2005 ss 132-138 which used to apply to all of Parliament Square now just applies to the pavement while Boris’s replica bye-law, applies to the grass.

Refer: Democracy Village’s bestest friend, the current Commissoner of the Metropolis, saying in the Evening Standard on 26th May 2010:

Met Police chief Sir Paul Stephenson said it was not the job of the police to evict the campaigners: “We need to make sure that the Met does our job and does not undertake other people's responsibility. That land is owned by the Greater London Authority and it is for them and the Mayor to decide what they want to do with it.”

While the Mayor claims he doesn’t give authorization without authorization under SOCPA 2005 ss 132-138 from the police first !!!!

In the free for all where everything ‘applies’ to the PSPC, the fact that the Commissioner of the Metropolis is claiming that SOCPA does not apply to Parliament Square GREEN seems to have escaped the attention of ALL the lawyers.

And god knows what the Conservative leader of Westminster Council a Mr Barrow was on about when he said: “We're delighted that Boris is getting on with it and what's necessary now is that we actually change the law. We have got to get to grips with this.”

There is of course considerable irony - that while the Mayor has authorized the astonishing amount of 250k to “enforce” a bye-law through injunction proceedings in the High Court, the MET are conspicuously refusing to “enforce’ the no alcohol bye- law.

So solicitors and barristers from Bindmans, Garden Court Chambers, Birnberg Pierce and Doughty, have been dancing around all over the place with all manner of things, while avoiding like the plague – the obvious – a Declaration of Incompatibility regarding SOCPA 2005 ss 132- 138 & Boris’ by- law that in any event replicates SOCPA 2005 ss 132-138.

A Declaration of Incompatibility regarding SOCPA 2005 ss 132-138 and the bye-law would bring the situation in line with the rest of the country & Brian Haw could rely on HIS identical case in WCC v Haw 2002 (which applies the principles of DPP v Jones) where Brian Haw was found to not be an unreasonable obstruction in a PUBLIC SPACE.

Proceedings that could hardly be said to have been brought expeditiously against PSPC, have illegally been bulldozed through at enormous speed, in breach of Article 6 of the HRA, using “CPR 55”, which clearly did not apply to PSPC, which has been using public space in Parliament Square – both - on the footpath and the green for NINE years. The fact that there is a counterclaim which would involve the option of a JURY trial instead has – also - been swept under the carpet, as the judge refused to allow time for even particulars of claim in the counter claim to be served.

Ken Livingstone had a go at PSPC, twice on 17th & 18th August 2007, and again on 17th October 2007, all without any two - way dialogue or any court orders; a fact that has been breezed over by the court.

All the more extraordinary, when you consider that the Land Registry shows that a first registration of ‘title’ for Parliament Square was not made until 19th February 2008.

I guess nothing is surprising in the latest land grab by the state whose far from ‘legal system’, has after all unilaterally ‘imposed’ itself by force on millions of innocent civilians throughout the world for hundreds of years.

Brian Haw is of course the first man in hundreds of years of UK colonialism/globalisation to consistently stand out side government telling them what they are doing is wrong, while promoting the universal message of “Peace, Love & Justice For All”.

 http://www.brianhaw.tv/index.php

Apparently, all of this, is outside Parliaments’ own and indeed some people’s sphere of experience/consciousness.

I guess no state has ever truly “allowed” Freedom of Expression. It is just a warm and fuzzy concept attached to the equally false idea of democracy – created so people feel okay about themselves.

“I will not live within the lie, I don’t do denial and I refuse to be indifferent to the suffering of my fellow human being.”

I am saying: “We need a universal system of justice that protects the people – everywhere - from business and government.”

If human beings can create a global community of business, then equally we can create a universal system of justice that protects the people – everywhere - from the mass murderers in business and government.

PSPC chose not to be associated with the Democracy Village who I see as essentially promoting just another capitalist lifestyle of alcohol and drugs unsurprisingly under the banner of democracy, because democracy claims to be everything for everyone, while it really is about a few making a killing (out of the suffering of the many).

I think the label of democracy is probably often used as a distraction to not talk about & sweep away what is really important, which is justice for everyone.

If you can get away with mass murder as governments are, it hardly seems surprising to me, that everything, everyone else complains about happens.
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On the subject of AGENT PROVOCATEURS.

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.

A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain—or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent (see Red-baiting).

Historically, labor spies, hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, or subvert union activities, have used agent provocateur tactics.

Agent provocateur activities raise ethical and legal issues. In common law jurisdictions, the legal concept of entrapment may apply if the main impetus for the crime was the provocateur.
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It is well known that on 13th January 2010, - in reply to police caution at Belgravia Police Station, - I named Maria Gallastegui as an agent provocateur specifically in Parliament Square. This was in relation to my “arrest” during an illegal search under S17(1) e PACE Act 1984 on the previous State Opening on 18th November 2009, when unusually, Maria Gallastegui, Simon Moore and a Dean Puckett were also present.

A trial that was suddenly illegally vacated was due to take place on 29th April 2010.

If that trial had taken place on 29th April 2010, a) I could not have been “arrested” again at the latest State Opening on 25th May 2010, nor b) could the proceedings regarding Boris have been brought as I have claimed through the illegal use of agent provocateurs.

The very many members of Democracy Village who were present in the Royal Courts of Justice on 21st June 2010, developed collective amnesia that Justice Griffith – Williams illegally threatened me with contempt of court when I fronted up on 21st June 2010 and publicly named Maria Gallastegui (who had chosen not to be present while the GLA had refused to name her as a Defendant), Chris Coverdale, Simon Moore and the (far from) ‘Friend’ aka Ian Hobbs (who were present) as agent provocateurs and demanded to give evidence against them, where at least the three who were present could then be cross examined on that basis and a judicial decision arrived at, over what is – legally speaking - a very serious matter.

My solicitor, who then asked the 'court' to withdraw from ‘representing’ me along with my barrister on 22nd June 2010, asked to speak with me and during this brief instant, Tony Benn was quickly installed on the witness stand in my place and my giving evidence against agent provocateurs, blocked, because of course any evidence of agent provocateurs had to go first.

Democracy Village also developed collective amnesia that after Tony Benn had said Brian Haw was a hero who was before his time, Brian Haw had reminded Tony Benn that TB knew he was appearing for “controlled opposition” etc.

It remains that I am entitled to a public hearing to present evidence of agent provocateurs, and have witnesses cross examined to arrive at a proper judicial determination that it is for example (seriously) illegal to (repeatedly) bring criminal or in this case civil proceedings through the use of agent provocateurs.

It is of course pretty ghastly that the state has provided legal aid to defend the use of agent provocateurs, who have been joined at the hip to us in these High Court “proceedings”….

babs tucker

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Rubbish

29.06.2010 00:46

"Brian Haw is of course the first man in hundreds of years of UK colonialism/globalisation to consistently stand out side government telling them what they are doing is wrong, while promoting the universal message of “Peace, Love & Justice For All”.

Brian Haw has done sterling work for the cause of peace. His sacrifice is recognised by all who have met him.

You, on the other hand, have been accusing people left right and centre of being "Agent Provocateurs" ever since you have been in the Square! Your so called Peace Love & Justice for all doesn't extend to anybody else that comes to the Square to protest. You have been slagging the Democracy Village off as being police agents and you have a long running hate campaign going against Maria Gallastegui and have accused her of being a police agent.
She is no such thing.

Barbara, it is a well known fact that the real "Agent Provocateurs" are usually the ones who get inside a campaign and start disrupting it from the inside by falsely accusing genuine activists of being on the payroll. You have done this regularly for years now. You are the real reason why protests in Parliament Square never get off the ground. You are the reason Brian is perpetually under supported.


How much do they pay you Babs?

The Actuality!


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Oh, the irony!

29.06.2010 02:26

"My solicitor, who then asked the 'court' to withdraw from ‘representing’ me along with my barrister on 22nd June 2010, asked to speak with me and during this brief instant, Tony Benn was quickly installed on the witness stand in my place and my giving evidence against agent provocateurs, blocked, because of course any evidence of agent provocateurs had to go first."

Could that be because you don't have ANY evidence to present?

Barbara, you have managed to accuse everybody of being Agent Provocatuers! Which is exactly what Agent Provocatuers do...isn't it?

Billy Liar


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Babs, Brian and Charity the time has come for........

29.06.2010 07:12

you to be sectioned under the mental health act as I reckon you are a danger to yourselves and a danger to others, simply you are all fucking bonkers, and so say all of us.....

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it is a shame for Brian

29.06.2010 09:37

the first comment is correct- Brian has done amazing things but now he is increasingly isolated from those who should be his natural supporters because Charity and Babs scream abuse and Agent Provo/Police spy at anyone else who comes to protest in the square .. why do they want to drive everyone else away?

effectively his campaign has been reduced to irrelevance by two narcissistic personalities who seem desperate to isolate him from any person or any campaign that might naturally ally with him and give him real strength and support

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We know you

29.06.2010 11:19

I think they get me - i ain't havin none of it. I am 44 and far to old to stomach this bullshit.....

seems like even indymedia has joined those who are working to get us. well I say bollocks. We know you and you and you, we are havin none of it and if indymedia don't like it well tough

So the cops are at indymedia as well, that don't surprise me at all, I've always had my doubts about this project

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get real please

29.06.2010 11:37

u have just read a true account of what is goin in english justice n y'all still have ur heads up ur own arses? no wonder this country is goin to hell in a handbag. y'all is livin in some serious state of denial. go along to get along uncle toms.

england got no heart - that's why we lost the footie. everyone is just too dam comfortable in this country with their silver spoons and don't give a rats ass about next person. y'all s more americanised than u realise.

england might have won the war and germany sure as shit won the peace. they have the bank for europe, the strongest economy and their bitch on our throne with her greek man. when will u bloody lot wake up? when parliament is removed from english soil to germany??? oh, no that's already happened.

ussr or europe... someone please tell me the mf difference?

instead of an american mayor named boris for mayor - let's go 4 uncle sam for prime minister.

p.s. please tell that bitch agent provocateur MARIA GALLASTEGUI to publicly sue me if i am lying.

best wishes xxx

dear boris
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"y'all s more americanised than u realise......"

29.06.2010 11:49

I think you will find that with sentences like that you are the one that is more americanised than you realise and in need of serious pyschiatric help petal....

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Egos vs egos

29.06.2010 12:13

It's interesting to watch the madness goings on of Parliament Square. Both Brian Haw and the Democracy Village seem only interested in their own egos. The entire square is full of tents creating a monopoly on protest. Very few activists have joined them relative to the size of the anti war movement. It has a very cliquey feel. It's calling itself Democracy but who has elected these people to control the square?

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Indymedia editorial guidelines

29.06.2010 20:37


apart from being paranoid crap with no evidence to support it naming someone and then calling them a "bitch agent provocateur" surely breaches this?"Personal attack: Articles and/or comments that contain abusive language against other activists or site users. Please make your point without resorting to personal abuse"

on the other hand it reveals the low level that some people operating at

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Charity is not so Sweet

30.06.2010 10:22

"bitch agent provocateur"

- irrefutable proof if any were needed that Charity Sweet has completely lost the plot. Jealousy, spite and a personal vendetta to besmirch someone else's character without foundation masquarading as some conspiratorial fruitcake lunacy. Utter crap.

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Where has all the money gone?

30.06.2010 15:04

££££Thousands have been donated to PSPC thanks to international support and publicity including from the Tate Britain exhibition but it doesn't seem to have reached Brian. Where has it gone? Meanwhile Maria G is well funded despite minimum public support? Something fishy going on here! Who is the missing link?

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Just because your paranoid...

30.06.2010 17:18

...doesnt mean they arent after you, and they have certainly been after Brian Haw for a long time which no one can deny,

Evidence suggests that some who were close to Parliament Square Peace Campaign in the early days where not what they seemed. Keeping Brian and his supporters apart by sabotage and deceit when they claimed to be doing the opposite. Funnily enough became increasingly active for the so called Peace Strike?!

Watch this space...all traitors will be revealed!

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ello, ello, ello

30.06.2010 19:53

I am P.C Derek Cooper and I have to stand guarding the gate outside Parliament during the day shift. My duties are saying hello to tourists, having my picture taken by tourists, reassuring tourists they are safe, informing tourists that Big Ben is not the Tower of London, giving tourists directions to the Tower of London, and letting posh cars in and out of Parliament to amuse the tourists.

I have to stand all day listening to that mad woman you all call Barbara Tucker shouting at me about the Queen, the Government, the Queen, some judge at Westminster mags, the Queen, SOCPA, the Queen and how disgusting everything English is, oh and how absolutely everybody she has ever met works for the police.

She even spat at me once and called me a murderer. I'm not a murderer, if I was, they wouldn't let me be a policeman.

That's all for now, and remember...keep em peeled.

The policeman standing at Parliament Gates.


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trial by trolls

30.06.2010 20:23

i cant see the point of trial by trolls - i mean the UNKNOWN trolls - posting above have already found me guilty - and whatever opinions there may be the fact is that we have had no choice but to deal with the reality of what agent provocateurs do

it is self evident that it is the responsibility free maria gallestegui who while publicly organising democracy village - which dragged us into proceedings - is the person who actually continues to fan the flames - by not fronting up in the high court to have anything on some sort of public record, ie: give any witness statement & be subject to cross examination.

it is telling that the trolls on the posts above dont appear to think people are entitled to a defence and judicial decision - in a High Court - regarding the fact that it is supposedly seriously illegal to use agent provocateurs.

i suggest the trolls take a good long hard look in the mirror and enlighten people on what their own version of justice might possibly be.

meanwhile trolls aside i wonder what possible objection there is to our campaigning for a universal system of justice that protects the people everywhere from those who cause the most harm ie: business and government ?

i am pleased to say that despite the doom - merchants -brian haws pspc - continues to have the support of the sensible majority that are throughout the world :)


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Double edged sword

30.06.2010 21:08

"i cant see the point of trial by trolls - i mean the UNKNOWN trolls - posting above have already found me guilty - and whatever opinions there may be the fact is that we have had no choice but to deal with the reality of what agent provocateurs do"

As already mentioned, they get inside campaigns and discredit genuine activists by stirring up mistrust, suspicion and division.

Ergo, you look like an plant!

Leave Maria alone, she has back-up, not from the police but from veteran activists who have been around a lot longer than you...or Brian.

Exactly how much back-up do you have?

Anon


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invisible inactivist

30.06.2010 23:20

anon - no genuine "activist" or indeed your average human being, would quite so hysterically ignore as you are, one of the most basic concepts of justice which involves taking - NOT HIDING - from responsibility

and as for the childish petulance of your gang is supposedly bigger than my gang - i mean no self respecting "activist" would pedal such might is right crap.

sadly i didnt notice brian exactly surrounded with 24/7 veteran activists when i joined but what i did get and people from around the world get is his message of universal justice, which let's be honest has entirely escaped u :)

there is no pathetic competition going on - you are not there on the front line...it is that simple
























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Furious & Active.

01.07.2010 00:17

"there is no pathetic competition going on - you are not there on the front line...it is that simple"

Yes, its true. I am not on the front line sowing dissent. I'm on the front line picking the war apart and trying to build a united movement...which you are groundlessly pulling apart.

Something has to give, doesn't it?

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United We Stand, Divided You Fall.

01.07.2010 01:11

"anon - no genuine "activist" or indeed your average human being, would quite so hysterically ignore as you are, one of the most basic concepts of justice which involves taking - NOT HIDING - from responsibility "

Taking responsibility for what? Destroying other people!

Face it Barbara, you gobbed off once too many times. Stop trying to hide behind arguments you don't practise yourself. Peace, Love & Justice for all eh? But only for those you personally like. You've even taken your delusions into a court and tried to get a legal judgement to back up your hatred. How many other people have you done this too. Chris Coverdale is a decent man and does a huge amount to help us understand the laws of war.

You've set about destroying the very movement you 'claim' to represent by accusing people of being police spies. Now its been done to you it isn't feeling so nice is it?

Take a hint and shut the fuck up.





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anonymous hate mongers

01.07.2010 11:12

i do not label myself including as an "activist", whatever that term means.

what i have attempted to do as a human being is put an end to any controversy and doubt - i am the one who has openly put myself on the line and not without considerable thought - while being subjected over many months to a sustained campaign of threats, violence and abuse.

i am the one who is willing to have my evidence tested in a high court which does give those i accuse who are grown adults the opportunity to defend themselves - on a public record - which seems to me about as fair as it could get in the circumastances - so quite where the problem is, is a mystery.

what i am not is a doormat etc who is willing to have "arrests" & proceedings etc endlessly brought against me through the use of agent provocateurs.

it is patently obvious that the hate filled anonymous posters whose motives are therefore unknown and untested promote anything BUT - justice for everyone - which is mass hypocrisy.

i am in parliament square to campaign - on justice for everyone - but this does not mean i am willing to be distracted and abused while having very real harm etc caused to me through the use of agent provocateurs and so on.





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Put your money where your mouth is!

01.07.2010 12:25

Simple way to sort this.

Let's see the evidence Barbara Tucker. Publish it here on IM.

Michael


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