Skip to content or view mobile version

Home | Mobile | Editorial | Mission | Privacy | About | Contact | Help | Security | Support

A network of individuals, independent and alternative media activists and organisations, offering grassroots, non-corporate, non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues.

End Domestic Flights Now!

Campaign against Climate Change | 06.07.2010 12:13 | Climate Chaos

Start: 04 Sep 2010, 11:00 am

Demonstrations in London and Manchester, Saturday 4th September

The Plan:

11.00 am Demonstration outside City Airport, London. (take the DLR at Bank to get to the ‘City airport’ stop on the Woolwich line)

12.30 “Train not plane” party board the big red (open top double decker) ‘bus-for-the-future’ which takes the message through the streets of London to Euston station.

1.40 pm "Train-not-plane" brigade boards the Manchester train at Euston.

3.49 “Train not plane” party arrives at Manchester Piccadilly station

4.00 pm Demonstration at Manchester Airport – “train not plane” party arrive around 4.25.

Evening - Party, party, party for aviation activists in Manchester

Join us on the special "train-not plane" carriage on the 13.40 train ! Cost is £ 11.50
Make it a full fun day of aviation activism! (return from Manchester Saturday night or party in Manchester and return Sunday morning ) Book a ticket at  enddomesticflights@campaigncc.org Cost is £11.50 for a seat on the carriage, first come first served for available seats. (Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester airport is £ 3.20 Return by train is £11.50 if booked well enough in advance, or £ 5.50 on megabus )

Put this date in your diary now! This will be the time to take the agenda forward on aviation, and insist that at this time of climate emergency we cannot afford to be using high-emission forms of transport where viable alternatives exist. And that aviation will need to bear the burden of emissions reductions along with other sectors

Campaign against Climate Change
- e-mail: info@campaigncc.org
- Homepage: http://www.campaigncc.org/

Comments

Hide the following 13 comments

No

06.07.2010 13:19

This is a hypocritical, if not pointless, protest.

There are two options:

1. Your campaign is targetting domestic flights only.
Consider the example of a passenger who wants to fly from Edinburgh to, say, Cairo. Said passenger could make a domestic flight from Edinburgh to Heathrow, then connect on to the Cairo flight. This is nice and easy. Your method would involve catching a train into London (or possibly Reading), connecting on the the underground, Heathrow Express or Railair to Heathrow, then continuing as normal. Regardless of environmental concerns, this is needlessly tenuous.

2. Domestic flights are an easy target, and once they are abolished, you will move on to European flights, and then the world.

Perhaps a better campaign would be for renationalisation or subsidisation of the rail service. Running empty trains up and down the country causes more emissions per head than a 737 on a commuter route.

AH


or

06.07.2010 13:36

Better yet, abolish all plains and bring back air-ships.

f00l


@f00l

06.07.2010 14:01

I think you will find the energy required to purify sufficient helium to float a decent sized airship to be quite considerable.

AH


re: Regardless of environmental concerns, this is needlessly tenuous

06.07.2010 14:14

AH: "Regardless of environmental concerns, this is needlessly tenuous"

This doesn't make sense. Environmental concerns are the whole point. Are you implying the rail journey would be more environmentally damaging than the plane journey?

Regardless of your tedium, the oil will run out eventually.

Or more strictly, it will become uneconomical to extract, but same effect. What are you going to do then?

Is it wise to use up all our oil flying everywhere? Oil has other uses on which our oil rations are better spent..

anon


@anon

06.07.2010 14:40

You are, deliberately or otherwise, missing my point.

I am illustrating good reasons why people make domestic flights, and why alternatives, to them, are not realistic. I am also suggesting that anyone who targets domestic flights purportedly for these reasons is either misguided (point 1 above), or hypocritical (point 2 above).

My summary is not specifically in support of domestic flight, but either to come out with what you mean, or make more reasonable demands on people.

AH


doing something

06.07.2010 14:55

this is stupid.

lotek


Campaign against business flights

06.07.2010 15:51

Against all business flights and the whole idea of air miles. Campaign for one standard class only regardless of the journey. You want to fly half way round the world or over the ocean you do it in a standard/economy seat bubba..

Bertie Basset (BB)


@ AH

06.07.2010 16:28

"Perhaps a better campaign would be for renationalisation or subsidisation of the rail service. Running empty trains up and down the country causes more emissions per head than a 737 on a commuter route".

I don't understand this argument - surely commercial companies have less incentive to run trains for which there is little demand?

Matthew


Unique and meaningful title

06.07.2010 16:30

"Your method would involve catching a train into London (or possibly Reading), connecting on the the underground, Heathrow Express or Railair to Heathrow, then continuing as normal."

If the f'ing politicians had a clue then there would be a direct train from Edinburgh to Heathrow.

"Running empty trains up and down the country"

Not something I have experienced, and I have used a lot of long distance trains in the UK.



A N other


It's cheaper to travel by plane

07.07.2010 09:03


For domestic routes it is simply less expensive to travel by plane.

That's all that matters to people.

Our privatized railway system costs the UK tax-payer almost 5 times what it did when it was publicly owned and was an affordable way to travel for non-business users.

Excessive profiteering by the private rail companies means that it's cheaper, not to say a great deal quicker, to travel by plane.

Helen Stephenson


Here is What I do

07.07.2010 21:05

I do not try to change other peoples habits.
I change mine:

I have never been on a aeroplane in my life nor shall I.
I only travel when necessary and Holiday in the UK in a old caravan which uses solar power to charge the batteries.
My computer is running from re-cycled car batteries charged from solar and wind,
I only use a vehicle when the journey is outside cycle limits/ time limits .
I use a 11 year old Renault Megane diesel as building a new car creates more emissions that it can ever save.
My 11 year old Renault is fitted with a cat and averages 55-68 MPG on the odd occasion I have to drive to feed my family by earning money
I buy local produce which is grown by small holders on allotments behind my house and pay them over supermarket prices,i buy eggs from a local farm,by cycle. the food is delivered by hand

What do you do ?
Change that first, the get on the soap box

Mark R


I want to see the world man

07.07.2010 21:31

If you don't want to fly that's cool. One less weirdo messing around with the flight seats.

Macy Skipper


re: I want to see the world man

08.07.2010 01:28

You'd better hurry up - at the rate we are burning up oil there won't be much left for long.

anon


Upcoming Coverage
View and post events
Upcoming Events UK
24th October, London: 2015 London Anarchist Bookfair
2nd - 8th November: Wrexham, Wales, UK & Everywhere: Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex. Cymraeg: Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru

Ongoing UK
Every Tuesday 6pm-8pm, Yorkshire: Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base More info: CAAB.

Every Tuesday, UK & worldwide: Counter Terror Tuesdays. Call the US Embassy nearest to you to protest Obama's Terror Tuesdays. More info here

Every day, London: Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy

Parliament Sq Protest: see topic page
Ongoing Global
Rossport, Ireland: see topic page
Israel-Palestine: Israel Indymedia | Palestine Indymedia
Oaxaca: Chiapas Indymedia
Regions
All Regions
Birmingham
Cambridge
Liverpool
London
Oxford
Sheffield
South Coast
Wales
World
Other Local IMCs
Bristol/South West
Nottingham
Scotland
Social Media
You can follow @ukindymedia on indy.im and Twitter. We are working on a Twitter policy. We do not use Facebook, and advise you not to either.
Support Us
We need help paying the bills for hosting this site, please consider supporting us financially.
Other Media Projects
Schnews
Dissident Island Radio
Corporate Watch
Media Lens
VisionOnTV
Earth First! Action Update
Earth First! Action Reports
Topics
All Topics
Afghanistan
Analysis
Animal Liberation
Anti-Nuclear
Anti-militarism
Anti-racism
Bio-technology
Climate Chaos
Culture
Ecology
Education
Energy Crisis
Fracking
Free Spaces
Gender
Globalisation
Health
History
Indymedia
Iraq
Migration
Ocean Defence
Other Press
Palestine
Policing
Public sector cuts
Repression
Social Struggles
Technology
Terror War
Workers' Movements
Zapatista
Major Reports
NATO 2014
G8 2013
Workfare
2011 Census Resistance
Occupy Everywhere
August Riots
Dale Farm
J30 Strike
Flotilla to Gaza
Mayday 2010
Tar Sands
G20 London Summit
University Occupations for Gaza
Guantanamo
Indymedia Server Seizure
COP15 Climate Summit 2009
Carmel Agrexco
G8 Japan 2008
SHAC
Stop Sequani
Stop RWB
Climate Camp 2008
Oaxaca Uprising
Rossport Solidarity
Smash EDO
SOCPA
Past Major Reports
Encrypted Page
You are viewing this page using an encrypted connection. If you bookmark this page or send its address in an email you might want to use the un-encrypted address of this page.
If you recieved a warning about an untrusted root certificate please install the CAcert root certificate, for more information see the security page.

Global IMC Network


www.indymedia.org

Projects
print
radio
satellite tv
video

Africa

Europe
antwerpen
armenia
athens
austria
barcelona
belarus
belgium
belgrade
brussels
bulgaria
calabria
croatia
cyprus
emilia-romagna
estrecho / madiaq
galiza
germany
grenoble
hungary
ireland
istanbul
italy
la plana
liege
liguria
lille
linksunten
lombardia
madrid
malta
marseille
nantes
napoli
netherlands
northern england
nottingham imc
paris/île-de-france
patras
piemonte
poland
portugal
roma
romania
russia
sardegna
scotland
sverige
switzerland
torun
toscana
ukraine
united kingdom
valencia

Latin America
argentina
bolivia
chiapas
chile
chile sur
cmi brasil
cmi sucre
colombia
ecuador
mexico
peru
puerto rico
qollasuyu
rosario
santiago
tijuana
uruguay
valparaiso
venezuela

Oceania
aotearoa
brisbane
burma
darwin
jakarta
manila
melbourne
perth
qc
sydney

South Asia
india


United States
arizona
arkansas
asheville
atlanta
Austin
binghamton
boston
buffalo
chicago
cleveland
colorado
columbus
dc
hawaii
houston
hudson mohawk
kansas city
la
madison
maine
miami
michigan
milwaukee
minneapolis/st. paul
new hampshire
new jersey
new mexico
new orleans
north carolina
north texas
nyc
oklahoma
philadelphia
pittsburgh
portland
richmond
rochester
rogue valley
saint louis
san diego
san francisco
san francisco bay area
santa barbara
santa cruz, ca
sarasota
seattle
tampa bay
united states
urbana-champaign
vermont
western mass
worcester

West Asia
Armenia
Beirut
Israel
Palestine

Topics
biotech

Process
fbi/legal updates
mailing lists
process & imc docs
tech