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Why 9-11 Truth has won - The coming of the flood

Allen L. Jasson | 26.10.2010 18:48 | Analysis | Anti-militarism | Social Struggles | Sheffield | World

I recently wrote in MWC News arguing the case for Why 9-11 Truth Has Won, due primarily to the weight of irrefutable scientific proof of the two key elements that evidence controlled demolition of the three WTC Towers – free fall collapse and the presence of thermite, explaining the total absence of structural resistance. For this and for other reasons the successful demand by the 9-11 Truth Movement and others for a new, wider, proper investigation is only a matter of time. The flood would come. The recent political squabble in Australia represents further breaching of the dam wall that will bring that flood.



I recently wrote in MWC News arguing the case for Why 9-11 Truth Has Won [1], due primarily to the weight of irrefutable scientific proof of the two key elements that evidence controlled demolition of the three WTC Towers – free fall collapse and the presence of thermite, explaining the total absence of structural resistance. For this and for other reasons the successful demand by the 9-11 Truth Movement and others for a new, wider, proper investigation is only a matter of time. The flood would come. The recent political squabble in Australia represents further breaching of the dam wall that will bring that flood.

For those who usually give no attention to the list of US client states that rubber-stamp the UN votes of the US and Israel and contribute to the thin veneer of moral legitimacy of its obviously illegal wars for oil and empire, Australia is that large Southern Hemisphere continent between Indonesia and Antarctica. Aside from assisting the CIA in minor ways in its intrigues against the Chilean, left-wing government of Salvador Allende in 1973 the Australian secret services were doing their treasonous part at home by contributing to similar intrigues against the Australian, left-wing government of Gough Whitlam. Many Australians today understand that both of the major parties dominant in Australian politics (just as in the US and Britain) are, in the words of George Galloway “two cheeks of the same backside” and that whichever is in office, which always depends on the consent of the US ambassador and the foreign owned corporate media, the government is a US-compliant puppet no different to those of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Kevin Bracken appears to be one Australian who understands the situation and gave some indication of it in his attack on a radio talk-show host with the comment that “Unfortunately cowards like yourself have set the political agenda in this country for too long”. In his position, as Victorian Trades Hall president, he probably knows better than most how Australia’s situation came to be. But Bracken has opened another great crack in the dam wall for 9-11 Truth with his public comments that the attacks of 9-11 were not the result of terrorist activity and that the official story was itself a conspiracy theory that "didn't stand up" to scientific scrutiny.


Stamping on the Ants’ Nest

Predictably, Bracken’s comments brought out the swarms of angry demands for silence. The talk show host instantly drew the “nutter theory” card and dismissed any suggestion of debate, the political “opposition” demanded that the government take action against Bracken “to send a message that such remarks are unacceptable” and the Prime Minister dismissed the comments as “stupid and wrong”. This pattern of certain opinions being “unacceptable” or offensive is so long established in Australia that it has become part of the “culture”. One is often told, in the manner of a gentle warning, that “you’re entitled to your opinion” but the expression of opinion, particularly if at variance with the accepted wisdom, is generally regarded as anti-social behaviour. Having the audacity to ardently defend an opinion is a social outrage that will attract a reputation for intellectual arrogance or, in the Australian idiom, being “up yourself”. Corporate power has assumed the de facto role of censor and enforcer having not only the capacity to deny livelihood or career advancement but also to deny service when “unacceptable” opinions are expressed (For example).

Opinion flows from the top as a lava of unfounded assertions such as “It was a terrorist attack, and we condemn it” from zealous lackeys to power like Trades Hall secretary Brian Boyd while contrary opinions may be dismissed out of hand as “stupid and wrong”, also without any need for rational substantiation.

However, none of these defenders of the nest, it seems, has realised that their exertions only emphasize that if these views were so “stupid and wrong” they would be no threat to the establishment view, and probably would not be shared by more than 50% of the Australian public. Still more, none of these instruments of managed public opinion has the wit to understand that once the accepted wisdom is seen as obviously flawed, the tactic of silencing all debate on the subject only further entrenches the widespread view that there are matters in need of debate and that resistance to it suggests they may somehow pose a threat to established power.

It was the opposition’s shadow Attorney General, Robert Clarke who made the inevitable appeal to “support the troops” in claiming that the remarks “were a direct insult to Australian soldiers serving in Afghanistan”; this from a man who should realise their presence there is illegal. Here again, we have remarks reflecting a failure to realise that a public increasingly unhappy about an ongoing involvement in Afghanistan, even those who find offensive any reference to the ongoing murder and maiming of Afghan civilians, may be inclined to consider that it would mean something far worse than an “insult” to Australian soldiers if indeed, it should emerge that they are fighting a war for profit for oil companies based on a lie (particularly if there is little sign of an Australian share in the spoils falling to influential people)..


Losing Their Grip

In general, the organizations of the left/progressive movements have been tirelessly relentless in their persistence in tactics that are now obviously failing, if they ever were successful. (Why?) The unbelievable stupidity of engaging in absurd antics to attract the attention of corrupt, corporate, mainstream media to their causes is still evident and demonstrations are still the tactic of choice despite the now obvious indifference of governments to the numbers and to emerging public disillusion, not only with these forms of dissent, but to the political process in general. The people who own western capitalism on the other hand maintain and apply a knowledge base that grows with experience and usually adapt their methods. Their resort to overworn tactics for stifling debate is unusually inept and suggests that in spite of their now universal daily access to the minds of the masses they are losing their grip.

Given the now widespread awareness of:

* The fallacy of “liberation” of Iraq
* The absence of WMD
* The transfer of Iraqi oil reserves to control of US companies
* The invalid association of Iraq with Afghanistan in terrorism
* The expanded US influence in the Middle East as a result of these wars
* The many other exposed dishonesties involved in initiating them
* UN opposition to them
* Their now obvious and widely acknowledged illegality
* The PNAC call for a “new Pearl Harbour”
* The ongoing racism, violence and savagery against the civilian populations,

and many other matters that are under discussion outside the realm of the corporate mainstream media, it seems all the more surprisingly inept that the establishment reflexes are resorting to tactics of silencing debate.

Given the vast amount of material now available outside the realm of the corporate mainstream media, which not only discredits the official account but also points strongly to the “inside job” conclusion, there is a lot for inquisitive minds to discover when motivated by conspicuously suspicious attempts to silence debate. It has to be conceded that some of this material is trite rubbish; one thread of discussion even asserted that the planes that struck the towers were holograms. But people understand that there will always be this diversionary element. Indeed, it’s an acknowledged tactic in the information wars to infuse such nonsense into the opponent’s camp.

However, returning to my original point as to why 9-11 Truth has won, there is irrefutable science underpinning the key facts that point to controlled demolition. Awareness of these facts will inevitably reach and capture public opinion.


No Honour Among Thieves

We are all compromised by capitalism; it’s only a matter of degree. We are born into a system based on ownership in which all the sources of all the things we need in order to live, love and raise children are already owned, were already owned generations before we were born. Most people don’t give much thought to this; they simply learn to comply with the mechanisms of control that this system applies to them in order to serve their needs and assume the context as given. Consequently, all the way from the corrupt politician who “knows” that playing politics is like wrestling a pig and thinks “the price is worth it”, the compliant journalist who avoids any consideration that if his opinions were different he would not have a job, the many professionals who think that professionalism necessarily involves moral compromise, the soldier who kills civilians for sport and dismisses it as “his job”, the interrogator who says “The Christian in me knows it’s wrong, but the corrections officer in me just loves to see a grown man piss himself”, all the way down to ordinary Joe who knows better than to discuss politics at work, there are degrees of cooperation with the system’s immorality and a general reluctance to see ourselves in the context of the bigger picture: an evasion of responsibility for what the capitalist system we all contribute to and depend on is doing to human beings, human destiny and the planet.

In this context the widespread acceptance of the idea that “Saddam Hussein had to be got rid of” and public concern to “liberate the people of Iraq”, despite universal indifference to their appalling suffering under 12 years of our cruel sanctions, can only be seen as wilful self deception. Similarly, the often heard argument about ‘our’ obligation to the people of Afghanistan due to the disaster that might befall them if we leave, despite the regular slaughter of Afghan civilians every day that we are there and the fact of history that in the late 1970s they had, of their own making, a more open, secular, moderate, tolerant and egalitarian society than ever they could hope for under the boot of western occupation and that it was destroyed by western meddling, is as perverse a notion as the “white man’s burden”. Australians generally understand, and with increasing stake in the nation’s economy according to their social strata, are generally committed to the idea that “if we keep in good with the US and the US gets its oil then our economy will be healthy and we will be able to pay the mortgage and upgrade the BMW next year and all will be well. – don’t rock the boat!”.

I had a very stark encounter with this one day in 2007 in a café in Bruges where I met a group of obviously affluent Australian tourists, all four of them grossly overweight and still gorging themselves on Belgian chocolates and cream-cakes. I was so disgusted with this and their self-congratulatory conversation that I was moved to take them to task over the fact of Australia’s disgraceful involvement in the war in Iraq, in consequence of which millions of Iraqis were without basic essentials, even clean water while they sat here stuffing their faces. One spluttering, red-faced, angry response that emerged obviously from some primordial, irrational, subconscious corner of this unexplored mind was “Every country has the right to defend its economy!”. I was awestruck at what this “Freudian slip” revealed.

Notwithstanding the widespread, vehement opposition to the wars that have arisen in consequence of 9-11 the equally widespread passive, silent coalescence and even support of the kind that parrots the obviously flawed arguments in support of them, is in fact complicity; people who are wilfully deceived or unwilling to voice contrary opinions because they are compromised by their share in the spoils – the paltry crumbs that fall from the table, however vile the crimes that brought the loaf to be cut.

But the wealth gap has been widening for the past 30 years and the rate at which it widens is becoming extreme. The privatisation and increased charging for essential resources, the growth in regressive taxation, tax havens and concessions for the wealthy, the shift of government expenditure from health care, education and public services to infrastructure amenities for capital, corporate subsidies, football stadiums and other sweeteners to established wealth and capital are creating massive exclusion. The suburbs of cities have become people farms full of welfare dependants kept ill educated and ignorant by decrepit and decaying education systems whilst ill informed and diverted by television “news and entertainment”. Greed and corruption in both the government and private sectors has rendered impossible any hope or desire to correct the situation and people of wealth with any vestigial capacity for moral reflection sigh a “ho hum” at the depravity of their advantage. Meanwhile the global, economic ship is already faltering on the rocks of corruption, financial incompetence, outstripped energy resources and a declining, overheating biosphere.


The Effect of Emerging Truth

Kevin Bracken is a prominent person who has voiced key points in the public domain:

* The attacks only worked because the US Government was in some way involved
* It couldn't have happened unless there was participation from key elements of the American military and government and security services
* The official story for September 11 doesn't stack up
* The buildings were imploded
* Aviation fuel doesn't get hot enough to melt steel and no high rise steel frame building before or after September 11 has ever collapsed due to fire
* If they want to stop terrorism they've got to look at who was really behind September 11,

These points are only a fragment and have all been said before but very little repeated in the mainstream media – by contrast with the opposite views. They are being met with demands to “shut up” based on hollow and illogical claims they are insulting and disrespectful and unfounded assertions they are stupid and wrong. The union movement, of which Kevin Bracken is an executive, is being chastened into “damage control” with officials being compelled to publicly distance themselves from Bracken’s remarks, which serves only to reinforce the sense of public figures being coerced by power into alignment with the accepted, official wisdom, a phenomenon that has been starkly evident since September 12th 2001.

But even as Bracken was speaking callers were phoning in to ask such things as “I think if you've seen the videos of [one tower] - nothing hit it and it fell down. I mean, what's the story there?" or to assert “The investigation was a joke and most thinking people agree”. Similarly, despite the silence of mainstream media about the facts supporting views contrary to the official explanation, information is circulating and two (of some 500) comments on an Australian, online publication of the story (one of them incidentally from a reader in the US) made the following significant points:

a) World Trade Center 7, a 47-story skyscraper that would have been the tallest building in 35 states and was nearly a football field in length and 140 feet wide, came down in about 7 seconds at 5:20 pm on 9/11 at freefall acceleration for over 100 feet. The only way an object can fall at freefall acceleration is through air. WTC 7 had 58 perimeter columns and 25 core columns that would have had to [be] removed simultaneously on 8 floors in order for freefall to have occurred. WTC 7 had fires on only a few floors; fires that persisted in any given place for only 20-30 minutes. Ordinary office fires (and jet fuel fires, although WTC 7 was not hit by a plane) cannot exceed 1,000 ºC. Steel is an excellent heat sink and does not reach the same temperature as a fire except over a prolonged period of time. The fire proofing for WTC 7 was not compromised.

b) Even members of the US Govt’s own 9/11 Commission who wrote the official version of events have now labelled the official story a fabrication. The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was all based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. John Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. In his book released last year: The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version is almost entirely untrue... Farmer states clearly in his book... at some level of the government, at some point in time there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened...On that basis alone, even putting aside the compelling scientific evidence that the planes did not bring down the 3 World Trade Centre Buildings, Kevin Bracken is quite rightly calling for a proper investigation so that the truth be known.

Bracken is not alone. Intellectuals all over the world and even members of the Japanese and European parliament, not to mention the “unmentionable” Iranian President Ahmadinejad have publicly voiced doubts or urged debate about 9-11.

What this points to is that there is a widespread public debate going on, despite its invisibility in the mainstream media. It’s a highly informed and astute debate that is sorting the grain from the chaff and there are some substantial facts that this debate will inevitably bring to widespread acceptance with potent impact.

It points to the old saying that you can fool some of the people all the time and even all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. The time is fast approaching when very few of the people are fooled by all the adamant, hollow assertion of the official 9-11 conspiracy theory, or cowered into submission by the bullying coercion of its powerful adherents.

As one Australian trade union official said, regardless of the leadership compliance with demands to distance themselves from Bracken’s remarks, and even question his future in the movement, his comments have kindled renewed, intense debate within the movement and no doubt also among its rank and file membership.


Airing the Linen

The Bush era and the consequent ten years of war have fomented intense international disenchantment with the US. In Australia, the once widespread enchantment with all things America has shrunk to the confines of the entrepreneurial and affluent middle class. The inevitable debate about 9-11 will occur in this context and there is a lot of unclean linen associated with US involvement in Australian domestic political and economic affairs, past and present, which may be dragged out for airing.

Bracken’s comments are just one significant breach of the dam. There will be others, many others, because the world is full of people who will dare to ask for more than a world run by psychopathic criminals; people who can inflict pain suffering, injury, even death without empathy, compassion or remorse. As the debate goes on outside the compliant mainstream media it will intensify because it comes from a human spirit full of imagination and creative energy that lives outside the artificial confines of a bogus social system dominated by people who manipulate it to their own designs and indulgence, people who, by their very lack of scruple, circumspect or conviction for anything other than the accumulation of wealth, rise to dominate it and, having done so, corrupt and coerce others to their own image.

The change is coming. The flood will come.

In Australia, as in other places, there will be wider ramifications.


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Note:


[1] Why 9-11 Truth has won

by Allen L. Jasson, 8 October 2010

 http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/5748-why-9-11-truth-has-won.html

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Allen L. Jasson
- e-mail: allen.jasson@rightofchoice.com
- Homepage: http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/6160-the-coming-of-the-flood.html

Comments

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Great work--great article

26.10.2010 18:56

It is quite obvious that 9/11 was False Flag Terrorism carried out by the designers of the New World Order--an order that must never come to pass. All of the power is in the hands of the people if enough of them WAKE UP.

Scott Maurer


Fantastic

26.10.2010 18:58

Mate, great blog. You said a lot of things I've been thinking about my society for a while. I've shared this and retweeted it so my friends can read.

Thoughts and ideas like these will eventually lead to us as humanity overthrowing this oppressive, enslaving corporate machine.

Will Skis


excellent

26.10.2010 19:32

A recent poll showed that over 70% of people in the western world now believe that the 9/11 hoax was a false flag operation.

Clearly, this is already a flood of believers and proves that the truthers are right.

truther


Polls

26.10.2010 20:28

Polls of people's opinions do not demonstrate facts.

In a recent poll, more Americans believed in creationism over evolution. In the same poll, the trend was reversed in the UK and Canada. If the strength of opinion were proof, it would suggestion that creation happen in America, whilst evolution happened in the UK and Canada. I think that neither camp - creationist or evolutionist - would agree that this was what happened.

What people think that happened on 9/11 is pretty irrelevant. It's the facts that count. I offer no comment on those.

pollster


a quick poll

26.10.2010 22:19

based on the comments on this thread reveals that one in three mad truthers on indymedia are actually the same person

riotact


The facts versus the ****

26.10.2010 22:21

"What people think that happened on 9/11 is pretty irrelevant. It's the facts that count. I offer no comment on those."

Well said.

When one gets to a certain age one is inclined to believe that the reality of the world around us has been determined not by facts, but necessity. The age of facts that we apparently inhabit is a product of science. The standard of proof we are told to believe in is convenient largely for business and industry which thrives on the rigid standard of proof as a profitable standard which allows them to operate with a required degree of freedom.

In this regard, science is the great leveller.

It is this very same standard that, while good enough for us, is not usually good enough for them. Great crimes are routinely committed by those who demand that nothing at all is true unless it can be proved beyond all doubt.

In Iraq, the high crime of "war crime" has been done right under our very noses. Here, our fortunes and wealth stolen stolen from right under our noses. Police violence on the streets, murder of the peaceful, theft, grand larceny and more besides.

If you cannot prove it, it hasn't happened...which of course is how it comes to happen. There are no courts for those who, in planning their crimes, first cut out the heart of the truth.

The modern standard of proof, and its rigid and uncompromising demands, are the very thing that is driving these crimes.

This world revolves around necessity, not proof.

The necessity of justice.



anon


911 was an outside job

26.10.2010 23:27

9-11 Truth has won? Oh, thanks for giving me a laugh. Which 'irrefutable evidence'? Every claim of the ridiculously self titled 'Truth Movement' has been debunked. Nobody credible in their relevant fields of expertise has come out in support of the conspiracy theories.

I have been following the conspiracy scenes for the last 3 years (since I left it) and I have seen it shrink and shrink. The more information that comes to light about 911/77 and others, the more your claims are discredited. No smoking guns, no whistleblowers and excellent debunking work from sites like Screw Loose Change. Shrinking web traffic to conspiracy sites, Troof groups getting smaller, or closing such as London We Are Change.

Sorry Troofers. I know you have good intentions but Fright Wing documentaries like Loose Change are nicely edited with cool music but look a little more into these subjects and check their claims a little more closely.

Alex Jones' mum
- Homepage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q20NmYGE-T4


deniers are spectacularly misinformed

26.10.2010 23:57

riotact, it's so trendy to be in denial over 911 and to bait truthers, depicting them as the mad ones, when it is those in denial on this issue which are now showing themselves to be spectacularly misinformed and intransigent to taking on board informed, considered judgement

a different individual


To the author

27.10.2010 07:50

Hi, and thanks for your article,
I must confess to being a sceptic of the conspiracies that have been put forward about the events on september the 11th, I understand that a lot of discussions quickly turn into heated arguments, it is my intention not to do this, nor is it my intention to brand you as a "nutter" I appreciate you feel you have evidence, and if willing, I would like to discuss this with you.
I ask only one thing: If either of us make a claim, or state something as fact, then it is fair to ask the other person to verify, or provide a source.

I would like to start with the 2.25 seconds of freefall, can you explain how this proves that building 7 was a controlled demolition?

I look forward to discussing this.

James


To James

27.10.2010 09:36

Take a look at this:

"The significance of a period of the building falling with the acceleration of gravity is that this implies that the structure below was offering no more resistance than air and based on the NIST calculations 2.25 seconds represents the removal of 8 stories of the building. The most plausible explanation for the near instantaneous removal of 8 stories of the building is that explosives were used."

 http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2008/12/415719.html

Chris


tempus fugit

27.10.2010 10:14

But, you just need youtube and a stopwatch to see that the buildings don't comedown on freefall... And a youtube search will also show you cutting teams slicing up the beams...

Same old conspiracy crap.

The Grouch


mopping up the mouth foam

27.10.2010 10:17

Which is all well and good, but the truth brigade are a bit less open about when they start the clock to arrive at their magical 2.25 seconds that they claim prove they are correct. Care to enlighten us Chris? Basically, ir is started when the building first shows outward visible signs of collapse on the poor quality footage that exists. By this point, the inside floors of the building had by this point most likely already caved in, leading the outer walls to also collapse. Guess what, no remaining internal structure plus newtons finest equals the outside walls collapsing at freefall speed, as all things on earth do.

No previously unknown explosive substances, no holographic missiles and no conspiracy. Get over yourselves, please, and stop trying to bend science to fit your bizarre theories.

troof hurts


Chris

27.10.2010 10:31

Hi Chris,
thanks for your reply, I read the link you posted, you appear to be saying this:

a) Part of WTC7's collapse was at freefall speed.
(b) This is characteristic of controlled demolitions.
(c) This, in fact, only happens in controlled demolitions.
(d) Therefore, WTC7's collapse was a controlled demolition.

It is hard to find information on controlled demolitions on google, what with the information being buried in reams of pages on WTC. But I have researched this, and I have found that freefall never happens in a controlled demolition of a building.
The basic idea of explosive demolition is quite simple: If you remove the support structure of a building at a certain point, the section of the building above that point will fall down on the part of the building below that point. If this upper section is heavy enough, it will collide with the lower part with sufficient force to cause significant damage. The explosives are just the trigger for the demolition. It's gravity that brings the building down.

Given that no CD of a building in history has ever fallen at a period of freefall in history, does this not point to another explanation of the collapse of building 7?

The NIST report offers the explanation that it was a progressive collapse over about 16 seconds, removing much of the support, transfering the load to the remaining columns which buckled in quick succession, leading to global collapse. Added to that the already collaspsing building not visable - the internal collapse, would have been interacting with the exterior, pulling the building down.
Interestingly, David Chandler, high school physics teacher, and member of the truth movement pointed out that for a fraction of the descent, the building fell faster than freefall acceleration. This would be impossible for a CD to do this, but can be explained through progessive collapse, where the internal collapse pulls on the external building, after the column failure.

I look forward to your reply.



James


It's pointless debating with those who choose not to see

27.10.2010 10:48

For example "troof hurts" wrote: "the truth brigade are a bit less open about when they start the clock to arrive at their magical 2.25 seconds"

Clearly "troof hurts" hasn't even looked at the article that contains the source of the 2.25 seconds:

 http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2008/12/415719.html

This time didn't come from "the truth brigade", it came from NIST.

James, care to explain what caused the building to descend into itself for 2.25 seconds with gravitational acceleration? This is something that can only be achieved if the lower structure is offering no resistance and it can only be offering no resistance if it no longer exists...

Chris


Chris

27.10.2010 11:46

"James, care to explain what caused the building to descend into itself for 2.25 seconds with gravitational acceleration? This is something that can only be achieved if the lower structure is offering no resistance and it can only be offering no resistance if it no longer exists..."

Sure chris,

As I have stated it can't have been a controlled demolition, that is not how controlled demolitions occur, It's only fair I offer an explanation.

I hope you are familiar with the NIST report, the short answer to your question is that the structure exists alright, but it is collapsing, the collapse is interacting with the exterior building pulling it down, we know that the structure still exists, and has not vanished, because a bit later in the collapse, the building slows to way below freefall acelleration, as it interacts with with the debris pile- the same debris pile that only moments ago helped pull the exterior down.

After the failure of column 79, the load of the building was transfered to the remaing columns, it's important to remember here that the columns of building 7 had lost there lateral support, meaning they could buckle, with lateral support they would not have. You then had the remaining unsupported columns unable to take the load, which buckled in very quick succsession, and freefall/faster than freefall (acceleration) occurs as internal collapse ahead of external collapse, pulls on the building.

I will give you a quick example of how faster than freefall acceleration can occur:

brick a is tied to brick b, brick a is thrown off of a building, followed by brick b, brick a is travelling faster than brick b, and is ahead in acceleration, when the cord tightens, brick b will acellerate faster than g (gravity).

That's a simplistic explanation of the interaction between internal collapse already in progress, followed by external global collapse.

The question remains: is the transference of the load after the failure of column 79 enough to cause the multi-storey buckling of the remaining unsupported columns?

I think that has been satisfied by the NIST report.

James


Eyes wide open.

27.10.2010 19:54

The devil certainly is in the detail.

On the one hand you have the two WTC towers collapsing which as anyone can see is a chaotic collapse involving very high impact collisions as each falling floor collides with the floor below it sending much of the resultant debri horizontally outward as the structure collapses.

And on the other hand you have WTC7 falling as one unit straight down to the floor. No floor collisions, no outward ejection of debri, no nothing. Just straight down in a few seconds.

In one day, on one site, we have two collapses that are not in any way comparible to each other.

And yet they were both caused by external damage to the structure of the buildings.

WTC7 did not collapse due to fire, it did not collapse due to damage, it did not collapse due to any other cause than symmetrical failure of the buildings structure from within.

Planned, controlled, deliberate, timed and pre-meditated demolition.

In answer to another answer given by another commentator here who tries to suggest that the collapse we have seen is simply the outer skin of the building collapsing after the internal skeleton had already collapsed.

The thin outer skin as weaker by many degrees of magnitude than the internal skeleton. Because of this, the outer skin cannot remain standing for even a fraction of a second after the skeleton collapses. The outer skin is far too weak to remain upright after its support disappears.

If the internal skeleton of the building collapses, the skin will immediately mimic that collapse, will follow the skeleton and will certainly break apart as each section follows its section of skeleton down.

The outer skin will have ripped.

But no. The outer skin of the building collapses straight down to the floor so perfectly that many of the windows remain unbroken as it goes down.

The entire building is intact except the first few floors. The bottom floors are blown out and as a result, the entire structure collapses down as one unit.

Impossible as a result of random damage or fire. Absolutely impossible.

Looking glass.


waste of energy

27.10.2010 20:47

how much energy we waste trying to prove disprove the cause of the collapse of the towers

meanwhile the military industrial complex carries on and murder exploitation destruction oppression continue

7/11 is not the worst atrocity and even if it was a conspiracy anything this complex and high level would be impossible to prove definitively

Shazbat


@looking glass

27.10.2010 21:58

Hi,

Regarding your comment, I feel the points you make are factually innacurate, I will addresss each one:

The devil certainly is in the detail.

"On the one hand you have the two WTC towers collapsing which as anyone can see is a chaotic collapse involving very high impact collisions as each falling floor collides with the floor below it sending much of the resultant debri horizontally outward as the structure collapses.

And on the other hand you have WTC7 falling as one unit straight down to the floor. No floor collisions, no outward ejection of debri, no nothing. Just straight down in a few seconds."

- Building 7 did not collapse straight down, otherwise it would not have been able to fall onto two other buildings, It certainly did not fall down in a few seconds, nor did it collapse in the 6.5 seconds many truth sites and videos claim, the actual collapse took 16 seconds (at least), as demonstrated in this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G86yuunRBIw

"WTC7 did not collapse due to fire, it did not collapse due to damage, it did not collapse due to any other cause than symmetrical failure of the buildings structure from within."

-Quite a few claims in one go, please can you back these up, on what are you basing this on? You are correct that it did not collapse due to damage. but the failure of the structure within was not symetrical, the video link above proves that the east mechanical penthouse, and the floors beneath it collapsed first.


"In answer to another answer given by another commentator here who tries to suggest that the collapse we have seen is simply the outer skin of the building collapsing after the internal skeleton had already collapsed."

_Hi that was me! that's kind of what I said, but to clarify the exterior collapsed while the interior was collasing, not after the interior had already collapsed, and the two are not seperate, but the interior was interacting with the exterior.

"The thin outer skin as weaker by many degrees of magnitude than the internal skeleton. Because of this, the outer skin cannot remain standing for even a fraction of a second after the skeleton collapses. The outer skin is far too weak to remain upright after its support disappears."
-that's kinda true, although there were 54 collumns supporting the exterior wall, these columns held the exterior up for slightly longer, and largely took the redistributed load of the full building after column 79 failed. You are also basing the above assumption on the beleif that the internal structure had fully collapsed by this point, it had not, but was collapsing, as shown in the above video of the main penthouse collapsing, quickly followed by the global collapse.

"If the internal skeleton of the building collapses, the skin will immediately mimic that collapse, will follow the skeleton and will certainly break apart as each section follows its section of skeleton down"
- Skin is the wrong word, given that building 7 had exterior wall columns, it was part of the structure, apart from that your description sounds like what happened on the day.

"The outer skin will have ripped."

- the internal collapsed started on the east side and progressed through to the west, although there are no (I think) videos of the west side during collapse, many witnesses have stated that the collapsing structure came through the west wall, so yes you are right.

"But no. The outer skin of the building collapses straight down to the floor so perfectly that many of the windows remain unbroken as it goes down."

- The building does not fall perfectly straight down, but leans south as it collapses, as shown in this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRkQ7Tr9Q3o&feature=related

"The entire building is intact except the first few floors. The bottom floors are blown out and as a result, the entire structure collapses down as one unit."

- Where did you get this information from? You appear to be dismissing the two penthouses collapsing into the roof seconds before global collapse, which clearly proves the building was not intact apart from the first few floors. This is shown in the first video I posted,

Thanks for getting back to me on my post, I look forward to your reply.



James


9years still not cool

28.10.2010 00:56

It really isn't cool and never has been to question the official line on 911 or any other terrorist attack
I don't like to be drawn into some lame polar scenario, but thats exactly what has happened with this debate
It is a very effective tactic for preventing meaningful and useful discussion, to set up an argument.
Divide and conquer.
I never thought it was a terror attack, the pentagon bit of the story is particularly ridiculous.
But of course I don't know what happened, I just have my opinions, which I don't want to be afraid to voice, but largely have been.
I have been afraid to talk about this issue for fear of being ridiculed by my friends, who are largely cool (middle-class punk wannabee) anarchists..... but I love them anyway so I just keep my mouth shut.
sigh....
meanwhile fuckloads of brown people have been and are being blown up, starved, poisoned, tortured, terrorised etc....
really all that matters is trying to deal with that, and I have been fairly active in doing some quite effective work into that, not wasted too much of my life preaching to the converted or the unconvertable on silly chatrooms like this (no offense)
ah fuck it all, to be honest I don't want to be associated with troofers or whatever they're called, I am not on a side, and in fact nobody has to be on a side, this isn't match of the bloody day
why can't we discuss stuff in a useful way?
I don't live in internet land, and rarely visit it, because i find it draining.....

john candy


@James

28.10.2010 23:13

"Building 7 did not collapse straight down, otherwise it would not have been able to fall onto two other buildings, It certainly did not fall down in a few seconds, nor did it collapse in the 6.5 seconds many truth sites and videos claim, the actual collapse took 16 seconds (at least), as demonstrated in this video:"

I've already considered this on the basis that there is nothing we can look at which shows the front of the building collapsing. We can only see the rear of the building in the video's posted on the internet. But even if we were able to swing around to the front, a partial collapse of the building would not cause the whole structure to fall so neatly. I've been witness to buildings that have been destroyed by fire and a uniform collapse of the building just doesn't occur. Even if we could see one section of the building collapse, it doesn't allow for an explanation of the rest of the structure falling down in one go. Buildings of this size are not designed to collapse like this because the engineering doesn't allow for it.

"Quite a few claims in one go, please can you back these up, on what are you basing this on? You are correct that it did not collapse due to damage. but the failure of the structure within was not symmetrical, the video link above proves that the east mechanical penthouse, and the floors beneath it collapsed first."

Well, a building is not designed as one structure. It is designed as a series of boxes. Each is engineered to support the structure above it. Its like building a huge structure out of a series of boxed frames. Each box is designed to support the box sitting on top. Think of it as a stacked series of boxes each with enough strength to support itself and giving support to other boxes above. With this design engineering in mind, if one box fails, that failure cannot overcome all the other boxes. If one end of a building collapses, that failure is not enough to overcome boxes at the other end of the building. A partial collapse can happen certainly, but the entire structure and all the boxes...no, that can't happen! The penthouse simply proves that a section of the building has collapsed, but that the rest of the building should then travel down all in one go immediately afterward's is stretching the laws of engineering to an impossible position.

The idea of the internal supporting structure collapsing and leaving only the skin, which collapses a short time later, isn't worth talking about as we agree this is unlikely.

"The building does not fall perfectly straight down, but leans south as it collapses, as shown in this video"

Certainly, a small leaning one way or the other but this masks the more important fact that the entire building is going down as one unit. What I would expect to see, is the penthouse collapsing, followed by several sections moving across the length of the building ending with the other end collapsing so that what you have is a building which has been effectively torn into pieces. A messy, chaotic collapse lasting maybe several minutes and involving much of the outer skin to fold in to fill the gap created by the absence of the inner, disappearing skeleton.

Throughout the entire collapse, the horizontal roof-line of the building barely breaks its line throughout the entire collapse and is still intact almost until it reaches the ground.

This means that the boxes that hold the building up, are also keeping the building together, even while it is collapsing!!

Odd, given that the building is weak enough to collapse in the first place!

As an aside, I agree with the other posters on this subject that we have an awful lot more to be getting on with given everything else that has been justified as a result of what when on on that day. As each day goes past, this "event" becomes eclipsed by far greater crimes. In the end, we are all bedeviled by those who have exploited and profited from this awful and appalling atrocity.

We no longer live in a world in which terrorism is quite as clear as we were first told.

Looking Glass


" looking glass

29.10.2010 03:00

"I've already considered this on the basis that there is nothing we can look at which shows the front of the building collapsing. We can only see the rear of the building in the video's posted on the internet. But even if we were able to swing around to the front, a partial collapse of the building would not cause the whole structure to fall so neatly. I've been witness to buildings that have been destroyed by fire and a uniform collapse of the building just doesn't occur. Even if we could see one section of the building collapse, it doesn't allow for an explanation of the rest of the structure falling down in one go. ."

- There are videos from the southside, in my previous reply to you, I added a link in of one.
A uniform collapse of building 7 did not occur, the east penthous fell first, I proved this to you with the first video I linked.
The structure did not fall neatly.
There was no uniform collapse.
The NIST report, and many other peer-reviewed papers, prove beyond a doubt that the fires caused the collapse.
There are NO peer-reviewed papers from the truth movement, that prove it was a controlled demolition, or that challenge the NIST report.


- there are videos from the southside, in my previous reply to you, I added a link in of one.
A uniform collapse of building 7 did not occur, the east penthous fell first, I proved this to you with the first video I linked.
"Buildings of this size are not designed to collapse like this because the engineering doesn't allow for it"

-Planes are not designed to crash, but occasionally they do.

"Well, a building is not designed as one structure. It is designed as a series of boxes. Each is engineered to support the structure above it. Its like building a huge structure out of a series of boxed frames. Each box is designed to support the box sitting on top. Think of it as a stacked series of boxes each with enough strength to support itself and giving support to other boxes above. With this design engineering in mind, if one box fails, that failure cannot overcome all the other boxes. If one end of a building collapses, that failure is not enough to overcome boxes at the other end of the building. A partial collapse can happen certainly, but the entire structure and all the boxes...no, that can't happen! The penthouse simply proves that a section of the building has collapsed, but that the rest of the building should then travel down all in one go immediately afterward's is stretching the laws of engineering to an impossible position. "
Most buldings have a unique design, this was certainly true of building 7 as it was built over a power station, the description you have given for the design and construction for building 7, is way off. In fact, that is not how any building is designed that I know of. Where did you get this info from about how buildings are designed?
Can you please read the NIST report, and give me opinion on that? as with all due respect it appears you have not, and I can't see how you can argue against the official explanation, if you do not know what it is.

"The idea of the internal supporting structure collapsing and leaving only the skin, which collapses a short time later, isn't worth talking about as we agree this is unlikely. "

No we don't agree, it is not the "skin" the facade was part of the structue, and not a seperate entity, I have already explained that your description above is not what happened.


"The building does not fall perfectly straight down, but leans south as it collapses, as shown in this video"

"Certainly, a small leaning one way or the other but this masks the more important fact that the entire building is going down as one unit. What I would expect to see, is the penthouse collapsing, followed by several sections moving across the length of the building ending with the other end collapsing so that what you have is a building which has been effectively torn into pieces. A messy, chaotic collapse lasting maybe several minutes and involving much of the outer skin to fold in to fill the gap created by the absence of the inner, disappearing skeleton."

-The building does not go down as one unit, the east penthouse, and main penthouse fall into the roof, meaning the floors below have already collapsed. Most of the columns have failed, the remaining perimiter columns fail in quick succession, at which point we see global collapse.

"Throughout the entire collapse, the horizontal roof-line of the building barely breaks its line throughout the entire collapse and is still intact almost until it reaches the ground."
pretty much, if you discount the penthouses as part of the roof line,

"This means that the boxes that hold the building up, are also keeping the building together, even while it is collapsing!! "

-wrong, it's the perimiter columns that keep the buildings shape, until they buckle, then it is gravity, oh and boxes do not, nor have they ever held the building up.

"Odd, given that the building is weak enough to collapse in the first place!"

-No, the building was just fine until the lateral support was subject to thermal expansion.

Look, I really like the fact that you are asking questions, but I really feel you have not read the NIST report, and you have demonstrated that you don't know how the building was designed and constructed, It would be prudent for you to get an understanding of this, if you want to question their explanation of how the building collapsed, with that in mind I will leave you with this question: What is it within the NIST report on the collapse of building 7 that you diagree with?

I wish you all the best,

James.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

James


@James

29.10.2010 10:50

James, are you are saying that you have posted links to video's taken from both the north side AND the south side, and are you saying that from neither of these viewpoints can we see segments of the building collapsing!

Is this what you are saying?

Looking glass


9/11 the great fraud.

29.10.2010 11:31

9/11 was done by Israel. It was done by Israel in order to help ensure worldwide hostility to muslims all over the world.

The 9/11 'truth movement' is utter rubbish led by people who are inadvertantly protecting the real culprits.

9/11 was an outside job done from the inside by fanatical extremist Jews working from within our government to demonise muslims all over the world because Israel is "fighting for its survival".

Israel deliberately started the second intifada, Israel deliberately encourages violence in Gaza, Israel uses illegal weapons, Israel uses terrorism as a weapon against muslims, Israel lies fanatically to fool the world. It is Israel and its crazed extremists that decided the way to America's heart, would be through forcing America to "fight for its survival".

The 9/11 "truth movement" is a complete fraud as are the 9/11 "deniers".

America loves the "truth movement" because America needs people to believe that somehow, in someway, it was in control from the start. Much better that, than the idea that America is, like Israel, all bluff and bluster, and easily attacked at will.

Close to a million dead, war crimes by the dozen, murder, rape, infanticide, assassination, torture, poisoning, summary executions, bombings and terrorism. All of these things done in the name of protecting Israel...all of these things done right under your noses. And the only question you have to ask is "Is America great enough to have done it itself?".

Pathetic.

Justice.


Looking Glass

29.10.2010 12:02

"James, are you are saying that you have posted links to video's taken from both the north side AND the south side, and are you saying that from neither of these viewpoints can we see segments of the building collapsing!

Is this what you are saying?"

Nope, we do see segments of the building collapsing. The east mechanical penthouse, and the floors and column below is on "segment" as you put it, this starts to collapse 10 seconds before the global collapse.

The main penthouse starts to collapse a split second before the global collapse begins, this is another "segment".

James


@James.

29.10.2010 13:51

"There are videos from the southside, in my previous reply to you, I added a link in of one.
A uniform collapse of building 7 did not occur, the east penthous fell first, I proved this to you with the first video I linked.
The structure did not fall neatly.
There was no uniform collapse.
The NIST report, and many other peer-reviewed papers, prove beyond a doubt that the fires caused the collapse.
There are NO peer-reviewed papers from the truth movement, that prove it was a controlled demolition, or that challenge the NIST report."

I've searched the comments and can't find any video containing footage from the south view. Only video posted on the internet all showing the same north view.

You say the penthouse fell first and claim that this debunks the free-fall notion. But that the penthouse fell first is neither here nor there. The collapsing penthouse at the top is simply evidence that an internal section of the building had collapsed prior to the remainder of the buildings collapse. Entirely possible if a controlled demolition had occurred. The explosion that caused that section under the penthouse to collapse had simply gone off a few seconds prior to the detonations that brought the rest of the structure down.

Once the main collapse had begun, the entire structure plummeted to the ground without interruption. Impossible without artificial intervention or assistance.

The penthouse is a red herring and is being used to falsely over-ride the fact that the entire building cannot collapse in the way it did as the result of either fire or structural damage.

Irrespective of what happened to the penthouse, whether it collapsed prior to, or after the main building, does not alter or change the fact that once the main structure was on its way down, it fell to the floor as one connected, solid, structurally sound object without interruption.

This cannot happen, it has not happened and it will not happen at any point in the future with any building of any engineered design...excepting in the case of a controlled, planned and pre-meditated demolition.

The idea of freefall is being very pointlessly argued and is being used to distract attention away from the far more present reality of what has happened.

The WTC7 building has been demolished and the US Government, NIST, internet commentators, the media, the military, architects and engineers are all claiming that it just ain't so. And they are all doing this while the United States is "at war".

The simple reality and lesson here, is that the United States is fundamentally unreliable during time of war.

It cannot be trusted. NIST is a nonsense and its findings can only be seen in the context of being part of the "war effort". It is fundamentally unreliable. There is no part of any of its business not touched by the patriotic hand of the US Department of Defence. It is simply doing what it must do.

The United States must withdraw from Afghanistan and must do this immediately. It must fully investigate the atrocity committed on its soil on September 11th 2001 and must fully investigate all those involved including individuals, or groups of individuals, working at close quarters within the State Department, the Pentagon and associated structures of Government including the team surrounding the President and staff of the Whitehouse.

In the end, I am quite sure that 9/11 will go down in history, as...too ambitious.

Looking Glass.


We have already won, indeed

29.10.2010 14:41


I've been saying this for a while now: we have already won.

Don't expect any 'new and independent investigations' of course.

The depraved elitist scum who run black ops and their subservient useful idiots-who-tend-to-die-
in-bodybags-and-should-really-ask-for-a-pay-rise know this.

acrobat


9/11 and the reality of the United States.

29.10.2010 21:17

"There are videos from the southside, in my previous reply to you, I added a link in of one.
A uniform collapse of building 7 did not occur, the east penthous fell first, I proved this to you with the first video I linked.
The structure did not fall neatly.
There was no uniform collapse.
The NIST report, and many other peer-reviewed papers, prove beyond a doubt that the fires caused the collapse.
There are NO peer-reviewed papers from the truth movement, that prove it was a controlled demolition, or that challenge the NIST report."

There are no videos posted in any comment on indy-media taken from the other side of the WTC7 building. No such video exists on the internet.

The collapse of WTC7 was uniform throughout its descent.

The structure fell neatly and almost perfectly. The small structure on the top of the building is irrelevant .

The NIST report does not prove in any coherent way that fire overcame the structural integrity of WTC7. It merely suggests that fire may have been the case. A fact conceded by some, but widely disputed by a great many more.

There are no peer reviewed papers published by the truth movement outlining the collapse of WTC7 because the existence of NIST, itself, precludes this. That is the purpose of the existence of NIST.

As a previous commentator alludes too, the United States is at war and companies or corporations trading in the United States cannot expect to continue trading if they deviate from the official line.

Given what is happening in the United States, and the resurgence of the GOP in the forthcoming elections, we should expect that the United States will continue to remain on a war footing for the foreseeable future. It will remain on this footing exactly to avoid being pushed toward an independent investigation of the events of September 11th. The political fortunes of the United States does not allow for this investigation and the Democratic and Republican parties will continue to trade war governance with each other for a number of years to come as a measure to avoid accountability over its conduct in the Middle East. It is this war footing that allows for the cover-up to continue and it is the laws and extra-judicial provisions existing in US law under that war footing which the political parties of the United States must maintain in order to keep US trading interests and media corporations under control. Without these war-time provisions, the US is exposed.

The worlds population have not accepted the official line coming out of the US, and because of this, the United States is unable to proceed to a post-war scenario. This blockage exists because the United States is, indeed, heavily incriminated as the public correctly suspect. This is borne out not by unfair suspicion or the political agenda of America's critics, but by the actions of the United States itself.

The United States remains in Afghanistan ten years after it first invaded the country. It continues to remain in the country having exhausted every reason it has given for its presence in the country. It continues to be accused by those inside Afghanistan of being directly involved in bombings normally attributed to the Taliban. It continues to procrastinate, offer excuses and justify its continuing operations in the country and routinely blocks all attempts by other parties to assist its removal. This situation has developed because the United States does not have any other option available to it. The option of removal of its forces from the country will lead directly to a ceasing of hostilities, the return of US forces from Afghanistan and an end to its War on Terror. Immediately followed by removal of "war-time law" and then to the release of all evidence collected in New York after 9/11.

Today is a very good example of this situation in motion as we can once again see that the Unites States is attempting to consolidate its withdrawal from Afghanistan and immediately to a position of war in Yemen. Media are now reporting a bomb plot involving passenger cargo aircraft inbound to the US. This the day after the head of MI6, Sir John Sawyers, addressed the Society of Editors in the UK. Those same editors who are now disseminating the "bomb-plot" which is ongoing now. A very good example of how the United States and the United Kingdom are working together to build an ongoing "episode" to keep alive the necessary war footing that the United States now finds itself completely dependent on.

Without Al Qaida...the United States is completely exposed.

Justice


nice one

30.10.2010 14:57

thanks for summing things up so well!

@justice


stuff

03.11.2010 14:42

If building 7 had collapsed uniformly through it's desent, it would not have damaged two other buildings outside of it's footprint. The debris pile was not uniform, therfore neither was it's collapse.

Explosives:

Had it had been a CD, then it would have been the tallest building ever to have been bought down by one (unless you beleive towers 1 and 2 were a CD prior!). Whilst I agree that there were explosions going off in the building (it is fair to expect this within a burning building), all the different sets of seismic data shows none of the explosions big enough to blow support columns.

Recordings show NO explosions of the power needed to blow the support in the seconds prior to it's collapse.

Rescue dogs on site primarily after the towers collapsed, were trained in finding explosives and residue, they found none.

The size of the building and it's columns would have meant that the amount of explosives required to cut columns would have sent a shockwave through lower manhattan, blowing out windows. There were DEFINATELY NO explosions of this magnitude.

Some of the videos of explosions from the truth movement have had the audio faked, and the explosions from real controlled demolitions dubbed over the top, this and photoshopped pictures claiming to prove the existance of molten metal have been used on prominent truth websites such as A and E for truth.

 http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/2010/wtc7/explosion-on-sevens-exploding-video-is-not-original/

 http://ae911truth.info/wordpress/topten/oslo-demolition/


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSkrg6tlW_M&feature=player_embedded

Had explosives been used on WTC 1 and 2 to blow the columns, the blast would have sent debris for thousands of metres, and the blasts again would have been deafening, shattering windows.

It's pretty safe to say that the buildings were not destroyed by conventional explosives on the day.


Thermite/Thermate/Nanothermite:



WTC1 and 2 were not bought down by thermite, whilst Jones/Harrit hold the very dubious claim that they have found evidence, as pointed out to them, there should be much more obvious evidence if thermite was used. Jones has back-tracked, and I beleive now claims that thermite was only used to detonate conventional explosives.

Thermite produces a massive amount of energy, that energy is given off in both light and heat. Sparklers on 5th of Nov give off the same light that thermite does. The amount required to melt the core columns of the towers, would mean that the reaction would have been visable, it would have been more like the fourth of July, than September the 11th. There is no visable sign of thermite - this is impossible had it been used.
If thermite had initiated collapse, and according to the CT (conspiracy theory), progressed the collapse, temperatures exceeding 5000 degrees farenheit would be reached throughout the buildings. During the collapse, and at it's conclusion, there would have been much more evidence of this generated heat, it would have caused a real scorching pyroclastic flow, it would have scorched all the nearby trees, 100's more nearby would have had horrific burn injuries. Molten ejecta would have been visable on all of the damage zone - cars and buildings, there is NO evidence of this in any of the thousands of photo's now available.
The last people out of the building would have been burnt to a crisp.

Lastly, although it's been mentioned many times before, why were the charges not set off by the plane strike?

Although I have concerntrated on the towers here, the same pretty much applies to building 7, apart from the plane strike, although fires and debris make it hard for building 7 to have been a cd, the fires were unpredictable, and could have set off/destroyed charges.

There is NO evidence for a controlled demolition.








James


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