Wiki-No-Leaks
Munki Lodjik | 16.01.2011 11:01 | Other Press | World
An article on the Observer web this morning reveals Swiss banking whistleblower docs will not be made public by Wikileaks
Interesting article at the Observer
Link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/16/swiss-whistleblower-rudolf-elmer-banks
The ob reports on details being handed over to wikileaks will not be made public. Previous details also held back.
You can draw your own conclusion!
Link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/16/swiss-whistleblower-rudolf-elmer-banks The ob reports on details being handed over to wikileaks will not be made public. Previous details also held back.
You can draw your own conclusion!
Munki Lodjik
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Er
16.01.2011 11:24
Krop
Quote
16.01.2011 11:54
still waiting!
Munki Lodjik
Drawing my own conclusion
16.01.2011 14:33
This would be similar to how Wikileaks has it's own insurance file of documents that haven't been released. You may disagree with this tactic but you should still be able to understand the reasoning behind it. If Wikileaks shot all their bullets at once then they would have no defence against being wiped off the face of the earth. Instead they are prioritising what they consider the most important in the public interest, such as the war videos and the US diplomatic cables. The powers that be could have squashed Wikileaks like a bug, and the reason they haven't isn't respect for due processand public opinion, or even qualms about assassination, it is fear of what 'nuclear option' is currently held in reserve.
Take the Bank of America hard-drive for example, Assange let everyone know he has it, and if he'd released it it would have damaged the BoA significantly and they would have fired a few 'bad apples' and recovered, but as it stands it is a wound that they cannot heal, their shares and reputation suffer. An unspoken allegation cannot be refuted.
I presume you drew the conclusion that this is proof that Wikileaks is protecting the powerful or selling the info to other commercial interests, but as an anti-war protester I am glad that the information released so far has been prioritised. All this will be part of the historical record one day anyway, but if Wikileaks is closed then that day will have arrived.
Danny
another quote
16.01.2011 15:41
Also the fact they have not released the BoA details does not sit well with me. At this moment in time I can't help thinking that Wikileaks is no more than a feelgood operation for the masses, recruiting unknowing whistleblowers and suppressing anything of real importance.
Munki Lodjik
This is weird
16.01.2011 16:55
Sean
nobbled
16.01.2011 17:20
After all, a few "mistakes were made" moments are one thing, politicians come and go, but NOBODY messes with the rich and their precious "financial system".
anonymous
The truth
16.01.2011 19:39
Vaughan Smith who runs the Frontline Club and offers accomodation to Assange since he is on bail writes for NATO and provides the BBC and Channel 4 with typical embeded propaganda movie on the afghanistan war.
Assange's law firm, Finers, Stephens, Innocent is a top City law form which specializes in tax avoidance advisory services (exploitation of loopholes allowing billionaires and corporations to avoid paying their normally due taxes through the use of funds, trusts and domiciles in Liechtenstein and Monaco as advertised on their website).
All this stinks big time guys...
George Soros and the billionaires
quotes
16.01.2011 23:24
Krop
@Krop
17.01.2011 00:33
It is a seriously dangerous distraction. Best to avoid online conversation that crosses into this territory. Do some research of your own discretely. It seems to be a lessening threat, but it's obviously not evaporated totally yet.
Umm, death to George Soros and all the other american elite such as Larouche! Yay! Go you yanker freedom fighters!
Danny
About the dubious post
17.01.2011 01:54
I don't get your dismissive little paranoid tirade danny dude...
dubious poster
@Munki Lodjik
17.01.2011 02:22
Do you get my point though? BoA are still suffering under the threat of that release, arguably suffering more under the threat than the actual release would have caused them. For me, the lack of that release doesn't harm the issues I care most for, but it does provide 'insurance' for the group that is currently helping the causes I care most for. So it is arguable I admit but I hope you see the anti-war point of view in this. I'm sure I don't need to remind you of the power and influence of the Iraq video.
I learned a lot of respect for Cryptome way before Wikileaks appeared, and I don't like Young's criticism of Wikileaks because I feel both their leaks are both on the same side even if their named administrators are divided for the moment. I won't even criticise you for criticising Wkileaks at this time, but I hope you bear in mind that all the mainstream media is demeaning Wikileaks just now, none of them are even mentioning Cryptome, so I think you should consider delaying your criticism if only for that reason. It's not Wikileaks vs Cryptome, in the mainstream it is Wikileaks vs the Empire. I ask you to politely to hold your fire until the smoke clears. Give it a few months, things are changing quickly.
Danny
Guardian misreporting of Wikileaks
17.01.2011 14:14
Danny
Homepage:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wikileaks-to-disclose-tax-dodge-files-2186589.html
danny updates
17.01.2011 20:00
hope he keeps to his word, i just can't wait for this little lot.
I don't know of Cryptome so i will be looking into this, thx for that.
Is it too soon to be constructing those gallows i wonder? Maybe just a schematic or two for the moment!
Munki Lodjik
Cryptome
17.01.2011 20:56
It's probably harder to sift through than Wikileaks though, so it takes some getting used to. It's run openly by John Young in New York, and maybe one or two others at most, and he didn't generally solicit publicity or recruit.
The trouble is Young was approached by Wikileaks to act as a public front when they started, and they had a falling out over methods and , well, philosophy I guess. Young is now widely quoted as a critic of Wikileaks which I personally think is a great shame, but as an avid reader of both sites, who has seen them come under similar attacks at the same time, I have no reason to pick sides. They are very different beasts who both operate in the same environment and I have no reason to dislike any of their work.
Do you know protest music at all? What the dispute reminds me of is when the Riot Folk slagged David Rovics for being too populist and hypocritical. 'Holier than thou' stuff that is maybe inevitable but ignores the fact that most people who love one side love both sides.
Danny
changing tides
17.01.2011 23:54
I am still waiting to get rest of detailed documents downloaded though so cant comment further at this time.
Munki Lodjik
Well done ML
18.01.2011 15:08
Danny
@ML
18.01.2011 17:57
The Tor browser lets you post here safely in future, though choose a new name first and don't link to your old posts.
The TruCrypt encrypts your hard-drives and gives you plausible deniablity in court on it's contents - if you read that section of the manual and implement it properly.
Look for believable updates or alternatives since this download is a bit dated now. Learn the logical principles of personal security and regard trust as an insult. Don't trust anyone, not IM & not anyone, and please do challenge everyone all the time. Faith may get you into Heaven but doubt will keep you out of Hell. Good luck!
Danny
topdan
18.01.2011 23:19
somebodyelse