when they run out of carrots they left only with the whips. As long the economy will get worst and see people fight back they will vote more fascistic laws. I am sad to say this but UK is a regime state. At this point we have to make our own self-judgment and see what we did wrong because the state always protect the rich but the movement if there's such a thing help them in a way to achieve this.

Get a job... A regular activity performed in exchange for payment, especially as one's trade, occupation, or profession. You should be able to afford to pay rent or a mortgage.

The alternative is to be a scutter all your life. Bleating on about how you havnt got enough handouts and how you to get stuff for free.

mexican you know unemployment is a structural element of capitalism and sometimes in some historical moments like know it increases really bad and affect large social groups/pieces of our society . In addition when you squat a place you do this also for political reasons because you want to have an open assembly in your neighborhood in order to communicate with your neighbors and practice direct action or to make a cooperative which takes place in the squat etc etc.

uk imc cut the neoliberalists dumbs

......mexican you know unemployment is a structural element of capitalism and sometimes in some historical moments like know it increases really bad and affect large social groups/pieces of our society . In addition when you squat a place you do this also for political reasons because you want to have an open assembly in your neighborhood in order to communicate with your neighbors and practice direct action or to make a cooperative which takes place in the squat etc etc.

You know that you can walk into any job center in the country or any temp agency and get work. People stay unemployed because they are better off (A fault of the labour government).
Sounds like squatters have way too much time on their hands. If someone has got time to have an open assembly and practice direct action then they've got plenty of time to learn trade skills then they'd be able to get a decent job and not have to squat. Seriously, you have to be pretty incapable of not using YOUR MIND to be not able to find paying work or go self employed nowadays.

......uk imc cut the neoliberalists dumbs
I don't even know what a neoliberalist is. Sounds like something a beret wearer would say.

"if you are not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing" - malcolm x

mexican you are really funny guy, come on now admit you are an official troll of uk government or go somewhere else to do your propaganda. 2.53 million the highest number since 1994 chose to be unemployed-hahahahaha. 490,000 people will losse their jobs in the public sector over the next four years.
I have been plenty of times in the job centre but guess what they have not found me a job yet. Let me think.... who else said this.... aaaa yeah... In September, Osborne (£4.6m) castigated benefit claimants for making a "lifestyle choice".

Then you say: If someone has got time to have an open assembly and practice direct action then they've got plenty of time to learn trade skills then they'd be able to get a decent job and not have to squat.

Yes you are right, we should not have free time. Workers should not have free time, they exist only to work or learn new trade skills in order to be able to work for somebody like you mexican. I wonder do you understand what paid slavery is? Do you understand that bosses get our surplus-value from our work?
Do you understand that somebody who has got a job do a squat for political reasons, I mentioned some examples above, are you against to this?

If you have the opportunity to change the world tomorrow how you would like to be and what you would do to achieve this?

You will get the answers on Saturday mexican guy. Btw what do you think about zapatistas?

“I have been plenty of times in the job centre but guess what they have not found me a job yet”

THEY! THEY! Yes its all everyone else’s fault, and all everyone else’s responsibility to find you a Job.
Typical blame culture, the job centre isn’t the only place that you can find a job. I was made redundant awhile ago and found 2 temporary jobs to make up my previous income level and support my family, until I could find a suitable new job. Guess what? I didnt use the Job centre. Your attitude make me so F*ing angry.

Its your responsibly to find a bloody job, but Is suspect that you would much rather take from the hard working tax payers that you think your standing up for.

(standing by to be called a troll)

@mexican

Wot a bleedin' sheep, pay your mortgage! fuck off!

All your taxes are going to rich fuckers who have shares in weapons manufacturers who sell to war criminal fuckin' regimes like the UK Government.

Mortgage Boycott NOW!
TAX boycott NOW!

My ancestors fought 2 World Wars for a welfare state, free education and health care.
Fuck you neo liberal tossers who think paying taxes to this War Criminal Regime is the 'right thing' to do.

People expect jobs as a "right".

God knows why. Does a zebra in Africa expect food and water as a right?
No. It goes and gets them for itself. If it sat on its arse with its hoof out then it would die.
I think that if the umemployed stomaches started to rumble, then many of them would suddenly find work somehow.

I second the above poster saying that people have to find work (if that is what they want). If you want money - then you need to earn it. Don't expect the state to give it to you.

How are we ever going to get rid of the state if you lot are so dependent on it.
I don't need the state. In fact, the state needs me because i give it money.
You lot, on the other hand, need the state otherwise you would starve to death.

Get a job, and then none of us would need to the state and you can call yourself true anarchists.

If there were no unemployment, workers could afford to be choosy about who they work for, so companies would have to offer higher and higher wages to entice the right people to work for them. That would lead to increased costs for businesses and inflation, which isn't what capitalism wants.

So it isn't a case of everyone can find a job, it's a case of there will always be a certain percentage unemployed under capitalism, so who is it going to be? You aggressively looking for and finding a job is only going to mean someone else going without that job.

So surely it is for the best that we share out the unemployment so everyone has their fair share of time unemployed? Or that the people unemployed are those who want to be instead of Protestant work ethic brown-nosers like "mexican", who want to earn money for their consumer crap.

All of which is really tangential to the question of using up empty properties to house people instead of leaving them to rot. The reason for our current squatting laws really comes from after the war when many people were forced to squat because so many houses had been destroyed in the Blitz.

>> If there were no unemployment, workers could afford to be choosy about who they work for, so companies would have to offer higher and higher wages to entice the right people to work for them. That would lead to increased costs for businesses and inflation, which isn't what capitalism wants.

OMG... That happens now. There are plenty of professions where there is a shortage of people, where there are more jobs and not enough skilled or experienced people to fill them.
The thing is.... it isn't the "evil capitalism" doing it deliberately. If your comments were true then people wouldn't be able to earn £500-750 a day doing them. It just happens due to supply and demand. Since they are paying so much, lots of people will train in that area and the balance will be restored. Its not evil - its self regulating. We needed a specific type of programmer and were looking for 6+ months. Ending up having to pay an agency a finders fee. Its not like there arnt any jobs - its just there arnt enough people who are skilled in things that are useful in the private sector. People seem to spend time doing a degree in socialogy and then wonder why they have to work in a call center.

>> So it isn't a case of everyone can find a job, it's a case of there will always be a certain percentage unemployed under capitalism, so who is it going to be? You aggressively looking for and finding a job is only going to mean someone else going without that job.

I think you are hinting at communism where everyone is guaranteed a job.....
Again, theres plenty of jobs without people to fill them. If "ALL" those jobs were filled then I'd believe you.... but they arn't so you are clearly wrong.

>> So surely it is for the best that we share out the unemployment so everyone has their fair share of time unemployed? Or that the people unemployed are those who want to be instead of Protestant work ethic brown-nosers like "mexican", who want to earn money for their consumer crap.

Yep, we've got a Red in our midst. I'm not a consumer. I don't even own a house. I spend most of my money on allowing me to do the thigns i want to do, rather than buying something big and expensive (like people who live in council houses who seem obsessed with owning a big fat tv). I don't even own a tv.

>> Or that the people unemployed are those who want to be instead of Protestant work ethic...

Fine. As long as those unemployed people who choose to be who they want (ie. unemployed) can pay for their own food, then I don't have a problem. My Problem is that they choose to be unemployed AND expect handouts. You can be as unemployed or employed as you like - just as long as I don't have to pay your food bills because you are too lazy.


>> All of which is really tangential to the question of using up empty properties to house people instead of leaving them to rot. The reason for our current squatting laws really comes from after the war when many people were forced to squat because so many houses had been destroyed in the Blitz.

So they come from something that happened 60+ years ago. Right - time to change then.
I also argue that if someone paid for something with their money then that becomes their property to do what they want with. Anything else is akin to Nazism.

I'm not saying anything about the morality of capitalism, just that it is a fact that capitalism requires unemployment to keep wages low for employers. Do you not agree with that basic statement of economics, whether or not you think it is right or wrong?

If you have such a capitalist society, you have to have a safety net for those people who are unfortunate enough to be the unemployed. Otherwise you get massive knock-on problems for society as a whole, never mind the actual individuals and their families.

Are you saying kids should be left to starve just because their parents are unemployed? What if you lost your job in a recession for whatever reason and couldn't get another job - would you seriously not apply for benefits? Maybe if you are older and less employable, or if you have dependents and can't be so flexible.

There are millions of people unemployed and that is just the official figures, not counting people put on various health-related benefits to make the figures look better. There just aren't millions of jobs empty and waiting to be filled. You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think there are.

And not surprisingly for Indymedia, I'm more of an anarchist than a communist. Like you, I don't own a house or a TV either ;-) Even if you spend your money on things like holidays or whatever you are still consuming experiences if not physical goods.

And the reason for the squatting laws is just as valid today as it was 60 years ago. Do you seriously want to see people sleeping in the streets whilst there are unused houses rotting away? That is just ideology gone mad.

I'll leave you with a link to a recent story about how the upper classes own most of the UK between them:
 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aristocrats-own-third-of-land-in-england-and-wales-2130392.html

Why play by their rules? The paying field is massively tilted towards the rich, so the more people can do to throw a spanner in the works, the better. The rich and powerful love people like you with their I'm alright Jack attitude and fuck everyone else. One day you might be destitute and in need of help of some sort and when that day comes I think you won't find many people around to help you out.