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Gaddafi death, the lie is beginning to unravel

Knot-Eyed Jaguar | 24.10.2011 11:53 | Terror War

Now that we are all supposed to swallow the ludicrous idea that Gaddafi was shot evidenced by some of the worst photoshop imagery seen since the lies about the London 11/7 bombings one or two of use have taken the time to view an analyse the footage to help others spot the fakery

Here is the infamous 'mobile phone' film.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXMo8FKFqV4&skipcontrinter=1

Editing -

0.05 film shows different sandals as film is edited between two shots
0.07 claim is that Gaddafi is dead and yet now his eyes are moving and he is looking at camera
0.14 - shows bullet hole, low down on side of temple, later in film hole is high up near top of head
0.23 - soldier is wearing Israeli army Type 21 combat boots. Issued to Special Forces units.

Resolution - the film is clearly recorded on two different resolutions and knitted together.
The colour of the sand varies between shots exposing the different locations.
The Arabic spoken by the soldiers is not representative of Northern African Arabic as spoken by Libyans instead is accented Jordanian Arabic as taught to Israeli soldiers.
The blood on Gaddafi's face is supposed to be fresh and yet it is already dried.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar

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Wow !

24.10.2011 12:02

Thanks for that, I was already suspicious about these events. It seemed obvious to me that Gadaffi would have quickly fled the country weeks ago once he realised his rule was over so I assume a deal has been done and this piece of trickery constructed and fed to the media.
Knowing that Israel was involved make sense as the are able to manufacture films like this easily away from the eyes of Western journalists and whistle blowers. I assume they are getting oil in return for keeping their mouths shut.

I will repost this far and wide.

Investigation needed


More .... STUFFINGS .......

24.10.2011 12:18

Captured terrorist confesses how the regime change attempt in Syria is done
"We began by opening fire on protestors, killing ten of them to accuse the government of killing them… " Muhannad Fouad al-Assaf elaborated. ...........  http://sana.sy/eng/337/2011/10/24/377429.htm
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D. Watson


Arabic dialect

24.10.2011 12:20

In the original post reference is made to, "The Arabic spoken by the soldiers is not representative of Northern African Arabic as spoken by Libyans". This is very much the vital point made.

Libyans speak a dialect of Arabic called Sulaimitian Arabic which has a certain 'sing-song' quality to it and is recognizable to any Arabic speaker. What Israelis learn is close to the Khaliji dialect popular in the Gulf region and it is Khaliji that can be heard in this video supposedly being spoken by the Libyans. Already a number of people on Al Jazera have picked up on this but surprisingly they have not followed it up I assume under orders from the Abu Dhabi royal family who own the broadcaster.

Any native speaker of Arabic will tell you that the people in this video are not Libyans and are either from one of the Gulf states ( my guess is Bahrain) or from Israel.

MF-Al Khalid


Israeli army Type 21 combat boots

24.10.2011 12:27

The boots shown in the video are indeed Type 21's however they are now general issue not just Special Forces use. Up until about 2007 they were only issued to the Maglan unit however since then the boot is issued to all army units to replace the old heavier black or brown leather boots. It's a matter of weight, the Type 21 weighs much less and is based on the US Danner RAT combat boot.

It is impossible for anybody outside of the Israeli military to have got hold of this boot proving these are Israeli troops.

Boot Boy


Fake.

24.10.2011 12:43

This posting is fake, because it has been posted by somebody who is not the real Knot-Eyed Jaguar.

Imposter.

I beleive this is the best example yet of how the narrative of Indymedia UK is 'being disturbed' by Indymedia's enemies.

Its a fine example also of how competent analysis is presented in deranged and conspiratorial form in order to undermine the efficiency and intelligence of our community. Not in any way surprising that comments from the 9/11 truth movement should appear here also.

You've blown it.

I'm going to go back over my other comments that I have posted over the past few days in order to figure out which of them has pressed this particular button.

I strongly suspect it might be this one.

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/10/487380.html?c=on#c274440

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


I never thought it was true.

24.10.2011 12:47

So much of this convenient 'discovery' of Qaddafi seemed untrue to me when I first saw it. It looks like the exact same playbook that was followed in the Saddam Husein 'capture'

A - Spend some time saying whereabouts are unknown
B - Wife flees to another country
C - Money found missing from central bank
D - President flees to home area
E - President found in hole in ground
F - Killed by people from his own country
G - Wife lives quiet rich life in neutral country with previously unrecognised 'helpers'

There are already a number of reasons to think that Saddam is alive and well living in Mauritania with his wife and youngest daughter under the protection of his old friend Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz. It is likely that Qaddafi is in Zimbabwe living in a large town house within Harare's Gunninghill suburb where soldiers from his famous female bodyguard have been seen patrolling the grounds.

Not being fooled again


Language is wrong.

24.10.2011 13:11

The Libyans indeed speak Sulaimitian Arabic but they also use words of Italian when discussing technical and emotional matters. Not one word of Italian is heard in this highly tense scene which is not realistic.

I doubt these are Israelis but I do think they are from Bahrain who receive military equipment from the USA which would explain the boots.

The Arabic language site of aljazeera has covered this in a couple of broadcasts the last one was this morning see  http://www.aljazeera.net/portal for those who read Arabic.

Raised in Dubai, living in Luton


Many people in Zim already know the truth.

24.10.2011 13:21

For most people in Zim the presence of Gaddafi being in the country is old news.

On August 27th he was flown to Harare in a Zimbabwe Air Force Yakovlev Yak-40 which landed at the Suri Suri base near Chegutu. He is now guarded by units of the Zimbabwe National Army at a house called "Sunrise' that was once the home of a British diamond dealer.

The well trained and controlled western media of course ignore these facts preferring to let their readers think the 'we got him with our million pound jets' story.

Another reason we need Indymedia


No grey hairs ?

24.10.2011 13:35

I see that we are expected to believe that despite months of fighting a war and living rough Gadaffi had time to keep on dying his hair black ?

Also there is no mark on his chest from the heart surgery he had in 2003. Utter fake.

The barber of Seville


Plane spotter sites already reporting this

24.10.2011 13:59

The Zimbabwe Air Force Yak-40 has tail number Z BAV. It was tracked from Ghat Air Base on Tuesday August 26th by NATO AWACS aircraft operated by the RAF. It identified itself as a diplomatic aircraft and was allowed to continue after being identified by two Mirage aircraft of the French Air Force.

It refueled in Chad and the DRC both times paying with a Zimbabwe Air Force credit card.

It landed in Harare in the early hours of Wednesday August 27th. On route it was also tracked by aircraft from Zambia who put up two MiG 21's as it passed through their air space without contacting air traffic control in Lusaka. Upon landing in Zimbabwe there was major motorcade waiting with a number of Arabic speakers among the waiting crowd.

Biggles


Further medical issues

24.10.2011 14:10

Gaddafi was hospitalised and treated for appendicitis in 1971 which included an operation. The scars were clearly visible during film of him swimming shown in 2009 and yet on the body here there is no sign of them.

Not a doctor


The Gadaffi escape

24.10.2011 14:34

My Dad's a big plane spotter and I just asked him about this. Seems it's really well known and they have all been talking about it for a few weeks.

There are some details  http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/frm/index.php?PHPSESSID=c8bijluvrlndiusd431ljp674i452p8p&board=9.0

Dad is a plane spotter


Info re boots

24.10.2011 14:47

There is a report here about the Type 21 Israeli / US combat boots that are shown in the film. They are manufactured by a company called Achidatex for the IDF

 http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA025938

Although it is possible a US soldier might be wearing them, the idea that an Libyan soldier would be is ridiculous. The soldiers in this film are not Libyans.

Bok


Details of other Israeli faked films

24.10.2011 15:11

 http://my.firedoglake.com/edwardteller/2010/06/02/idf-released-several-faked-photos-how-can-they-be-trusted-in-any-investigation/

Having worked in Occupied Palestine none of this is new. The IDF has a long history of faking film and still shots to 'prove' a story. I never believed the Qaddafi story from the moment I heard it. A nice neat story where he turned out to be exactly where all the media were and the convenient bullet to the head before this poor patsy could be interviewed.

Qaddafi is alive and well and if he has any sense keeping his head down and enjoying his NATO funded retirement.

Israel TV news announced this week the government were hopeful of a "new relationship" with Libya.

Former ISM volunteer


Gun in film is CIA issue

24.10.2011 15:26

Take a look at this film of the "death" and stop it at 11 seconds. The handgun shown in the had of one of the soldiers is a Taurus .357 Magnum Model 605. Standard issue to CIA field officers. Why would a Libyan ever have one ?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWZnoTGjjkw&skipcontrinter=1

Mikail


Trolling ?

24.10.2011 15:53

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Shocking brutality by the Nato-Al-Qaeda “freedom-fighters”

24.10.2011 15:56

Nothing defines the post-Gaddafi National Transitional Council (NTC) regime better than the shockingly brutal manner in which Colonel Moammar Gaddafi was literally beaten to death after his capture on Thursday in Sirte. To reiterate the cliché that all is fair in love and war in this context is no comfort. The reports and footage of Gaddafi’s last moments are nothing short of hair-raising. This was a barbaric act in the extreme. With its usual expedient blinkers where its interests are concerned, the west, whether governments or the media, have tucked away their moral compass somewhere out of sight and convenient. The NTC pro-west regime they are triumphantly supporting is less likely to be, as the Libyan Ambassador in London claimed, a state ruled by law so much as a western imperialist satrap. Given that this treatment of a captured leader was not the first manifestation of the brutality of the NTC fighters (note the violence perpetrated against unarmed migrant African workers captured by the NTC and accused of being Gaddafi mercenaries without any proof), what is the explanation for this barbarism?

The NTC forces include al Qaeda affiliated groups who have been trying to overthrow Gaddafi through armed uprisings (especially in eastern Libya) over the years. Ironically, the very west that claims to be fighting al Qaeda worldwide turned a convenient blind eye to the troubling inclusion of these extremist jihadi groups in the NTC ranks. One faction of these al Qaeda affiliates was held responsible for the murder of a Gaddafi regime senior general who defected to the rebels and was leading their military campaign. Yet to date, no one has been held accountable for this murder. Libya presents the picture of the pattern likely to be used by the west from now on to take out regimes that oppose its imperialist ambitions. The model is to use local dissident or rebellious forces on the ground, supported by the US and Nato’s overwhelming technological superiority in air power, missiles and other ‘remote’ weapons to help crush regimes that do not play ball with the west. US President Obama boasted after Gaddafi’s brutal end was confirmed that not one American life had been lost in the Libyan campaign. What he conveniently forgot to mention was the role of covert special forces attached to the NTC rebels that arguably helped and directed their relatively amateur military efforts. Obama’s triumphalism pulled whatever thin fig leaf was put up by Washington under the rubric ‘leading from behind’.

Like in any detective novel, the two critical questions to be asked are: motive, and beneficiary, to determine the villain of the piece. Libya’s oil and gas riches are what the US-led west has been slavering over for a very long time. Gaddafi’s support to anti-imperialist movements worldwide earned him more than a fair share of the ire of the powers that be in our (still) post-Cold War unipolar world. France and Britain, that led the anti-Gaddafi pack, are licking their lips over the lucrative ingress they have gained through bringing the NTC to power into Libya’s oil and gas. As in Iraq, energy sources and imperialist intervention have a symbiotic relationship.

It may be too close to these horrific events to judge Gaddafi’s place in history. However, a few tentative conclusions can be tendered even now. Colonel Gaddafi’s coup in 1969 that overthrew the decrepit monarchy and established a popular Arab nationalist regime openly declared its support of all anti-imperialist movements in the world. Sometimes, his uncompromising stances and criticism of other third world countries that betrayed their ostensible support to such movements because of ties to, and pressure from, the west, invited retaliation and even relative isolation for Gaddafi. He was however, undeterred for a very long time. It is only when the west was able to orchestrate a virtually total isolation of Libya because of the Lockerbie bombing and other incidents, that Gaddafi attempted to compromise with the west. He gave up his nuclear ambitions, support for already dwindling anti-imperialist movements, and tried to craft an acceptable modus vivendi with the western powers. However, if there is one lesson to be drawn from his fate, it is that empires have long memories and are totally ruthless in achieving their goals. Gaddafi joins a long list of the victims of the rapacious greed and domineering imperialist ambitions of the west that litters the history of the modern world. Rest in peace Colonel. *

Voice of free Libya, still fighting and defending the people


This is not the only faked death lie

24.10.2011 16:00

We continue our resistance to full revenge. I am in Libya, alive and free’ – Gaddafi’s son, Saif al-Islam.

Saif al-Islam, is still in Libya. He is free and will go on with resistance, he claimed in an address to supporters aired by Syria’s Arrai TV Channel.

“We continue our resistance. I am in Libya, I am alive, free and intend to go to the very end and exact revenge,” ‘Russia’s RIA Novosti’ news agency quotes Saif al-Islam as saying on the Syrian Channel on Saturday night.

“I say go to hell, you and NATO behind you. This is our country, we live in it, we die in it and we are continuing the struggle,” Saif al-Islam said, according to Al-Arabiya news channel.

“I received a message from tribes in Bani Walid about a general consensus between them to respond to threats from the gangs of rats ─ the revolutionaries and the NATO alliance,” Saif al-Islam said.

Earlier contradictory reports suggested Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has been either killed or captured in the western Libyan town of Zliten and was in the hands of the country’s National Transitional Council.

Egypt’s Nile TV Channel reported on Thursday, October 20, that he had managed to flee Sirte and find shelter in the desert.

According to RIA Novosti, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has already got the support of the tribes loyal to his father, who promised to fight against the current government. Some experts now suggest the Libyan conflict could now be prolonged and grow from a political into an interethnic struggle.

Thirty-nine-year-old Saif al-Islam is the second son of Muammar Gaddafi and carried out public relations and diplomatic roles for his father. Western-educated and the most-recognized Libyan official, he was often viewed as Colonel’s successor and a possible reformer.

Free Libya !


The al Qaeda & CIA Link

24.10.2011 16:04

News today that a US Army commander has already warned of a "rise in al Qaeda activity within Libya". How very convenient for everybody.

Still we await the clear proof that Gaddafi is dead.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Whatever. You are blind

24.10.2011 16:07



>> 0.05 film shows different sandals as film is edited between two shots
Can't see any sandals at 0.05. Maybe the ones you see are on different people?

>> 0.07 claim is that Gaddafi is dead and yet now his eyes are moving and he is looking at camera
I don't think they mean he is dead at 0.07 lol!!!!!!!!! I think they are reporting he is dead and showing the footage. Gawd..... they don't mean at the exact milliseconds!!

>> 0.14 - shows bullet hole, low down on side of temple, later in film hole is high up near top of head
Can't see that.

>> 0.23 - soldier is wearing Israeli army Type 21 combat boots. Issued to Special Forces units.
Year, he is also carrying a gun which clearly makes him Israeli special forces. Idiot.

>> Resolution - the film is clearly recorded on two different resolutions and knitted together.
No it isn't

>> The colour of the sand varies between shots exposing the different locations.
No it doesn't!

>> The Arabic spoken by the soldiers is not representative of Northern African Arabic as spoken by Libyans instead is accented Jordanian Arabic as taught to Israeli soldiers.
No it isn't

>> The blood on Gaddafi's face is supposed to be fresh and yet it is already dried.
Who said it is "fresh"? Its the fucking desert, things dry quickly. He was holed up for ages after the bombing. Anyway, it looks fucking like wet blood to me


Is that footage of the Green Square still fake?

anon


UN and NATO Enjoin in Multi-State Terrorism

24.10.2011 16:11




For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

— Ephesians: 6:12

What a decade it has been for assassinations, liquidations, exterminations — for State terrorism led by the Land of the Free. Summary executions include Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. On 5th February 2003, General Colin Powell stated that he headed a deadly terrorist network within Iraq – just six weeks before the US headed a deadly terrorist network, in an illegal invasion, which entirely destroyed Iraq.

On 7th June 2006, at Hibhib, near Baquba, al-Zarqawi was killed by two five hundred-pound bombs, dropped by USAF F-16 jets, killing five others including his wife and child. Legality, trying in law those accused of wrong doing, is, seemingly, so yesterday.

President Saddam Hussein and some of his sovereign government were subject to a kangaroo Court, laughable had it not shamed and disgraced the word “legal” at every level.Then he was lynched.

Osama bin Laden’s alleged death, with still unaccounted for others, was another blot on legality and humanity, with his body seemingly summarily disposed of as shark food. Why observe religious and legal niceties when they may, in turn, preserve forensic, legal evidence?

Hilary Clinton and her partners in crime, were, of course, shown “watching” this gruesome slaying by illegal immigrants who had entered ally Pakistan without bothering to request permission for air space or passage. It then had to be admitted there was, in fact, no transmission from a video previously said to be screened from one of the assassins helmets. Hollywood meets Capitol Hill?

Subsequently this tasteless, part fictional scenario with Ms Clinton’s hand over her mouth, feigning personal “shock and awe” was, the gullible were informed, due to “an allergy.”

Her repellent performance on CBS shortly after Gaddafi’s death, assassination, execution, street dragging – early days for the exact sequence of another bloody illegality — was Madam Clinton for real. She near punched the air, roared with laughter and announced:

“We came, we saw, he died.”

“Did this have anything to do with your visit?” she was asked on 18th October.

“Nnn …” Then: “I’m sure it did.”

During her brief trip she had stated: “We hope he [Col Gaddafi] can be captured or killed soon …”

Arguably, not since Madeleine Albright, when US Ambassador to the United Nations (“… avowed to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war…”) stated that the deaths of half a million Iraqi children were: “A hard choice, but the price, we think the price is worth it” (60 Minutes,12th May 1996) has such abhorrent, shaming filth been spewed over the air waves.

But then, the UN was the vehicle for the silent killing fields which were the strangulating thirteen year embargo on Iraq. the silence on thirteen years of illegal, unsanctioned bombing by the US/UK. Then this last March, they endorsed UNSCR 1973, which became the completely overt mass murders of Libyans in a seven month (and ongoing) “humanitarian” blitzkrieg.

In the UK, the newspapers did their best to vie with Clinton’s sewer rhetoric. Seldom has a bloody, illegal, apparent summary execution, assassination of a Head of State, been more tastelessly lauded.

“Bullet in the Head – That’s for Lockerbie” (The Sun.) Apart from their excursion to the literary drainage pipes, the Sun apparently neither attended the trial nor have registered the deep legal concerns surrounding the Lockerbie verdict. “End of a Tyrant” trumpeted The Independent, of whom a little more is expected. “Tyrant Showed no Mercy, Shot by Rebels”, celebrated The Mirror. “Gaddafi’s Death: Key Moments”; MSN was in trash movie mode.

“Death of a Tyrant”, is the choice of many, with The Star perhaps managing to plunge to an all time journalistic depth with “Mad Dog Put Down.”

NATO’s depraved allies in the “New Libya” are — in defiance of all decency , and of any religion, especially Islam — displaying his body, and that of his son Mutassim (37) naked to the waist, in freezers in a meat store in Misrata, inviting souvenir photographs.

It is a pitiless, shocking re-run of the display of the bodies of Saddam Hussein’s sons, Qusay and Uday, also summarily executed, rather than being treated in accordance with the law, as prisoners of war, along with Hussein’s fifteen year old grandson, courtesy US troops in Mosul, northern Iraq.

Islam is specific as to rituals for the deceased: “After the soul leaves the body, eyes must be closed” (Colonel Gaddafi’s were not for considerable time, according to pictures). “When the soul is taken, the eyesight follows.” The washing must follow specific procedure and then body fully covered, including the head and face. Necrophilic tourism is not an option — and bodes a sinister future if indicative of the values of those now seemingly holding power, legally or otherwise.

There may be worse to come. Seizing the illegal precedent which has been set by the disposal of Osama bin Laden’s bullet ridden remains, by the body snatching killers in Afghanistan, there is talk of burying Libya’s Head of State at sea. As bin Laden, it would get rid of the evidence. Dead men don’t talk of past deals, commitments, betrayals – and disappeared ones leave no forensic evidence of seemingly a murderering mob of NATO-facilitated thugs.

Will pressure for the body to be handed over to his tribe tempt another disgraceful act? That Tribe has issued this statement:

We call on the UN, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and Amnesty International, to force the [National] Transitional Council to hand over the martyrs’ bodies to our tribe in Sirte and to allow them to perform their burial ceremony in accordance with Islamic customs and rules.

Further pressure is building from the UN Human Rights Council, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Christof Heyns, the UN Special Rapporteur, is adament:

“The Geneva conventions are very clear that when prisoners are taken they may not be executed willfully and if that was the case then we are dealing with a war crime, something that should be tried”, he told Al Jazeera. (21st October 2011)

One eye witness allegations of Colonel Gaddafi’s death hardly seems to meet with Geneva Convention criteria:

… he was being beaten, kicked, with rifle butts, boots. He looked confused … he was saying ‘help me, help me’, but his voice was really strained, he was croaking. A few of us were around him, we thought we should get him somewhere we could question him about the others. But he was then taken away in a wave of people and then there were shots.

There are more similarities between Iraq and Libya. Two leaders who took over countries crippled by colonialism and turned them into thriving, largely well developed nations, with high quality free health care, education, living standards.

In threatened crisis, US Presidents and their Administrations cower in hidden bunkers deep in mountains, British Prime Ministers and their Cabinet, and ranking officials, are not renowned as front line operators either. Indeed, the speed with which the British and American Ambassadors and their staff left Libya at the first sign of trouble was pathetic – and nationally humiliating.

Both Saddam and his sons said they would never leave their country and would die there. They did. Colonel Gaddafi did the same. Saddam faced out “Shock and Awe”; Gaddafi, 26,000 NATO sorties and over 9,600 strike missions in seven months, 68 strikes, seemingly, round Sirte on the day he was killed near there. Whatever their failings, their courage was towering.

Saddam lost his sons and grandchild and never saw his surviving family before he died. Gaddafi lost three grandchildren and three sons, and a fourth died with him. After the deaths, the Western media sneered because he failed to appear on the air waves for a few days.

However, the rats are crawling back on to the deck of the remains of the ship. On 21st October, Britain’s replacement Defence Minister – his predecessor got in to a little local difficulty – Phillip Hammond, announced that the UK had presented a license to drill for oil request to the National Transitional Council, far less than twenty four hours after the announcement of Gaddafi’s death.

Further:

Libya is a relatively wealthy country with oil reserves, and I expect there will be opportunities for British and other companies to get involved in the reconstruction of Libya.

I would expect British companies, even British sales directors, (to be) packing their suitcases and looking to get out to Libya and take part in the reconstruction of that country as soon as they can”, he said. (Independent, 22nd October 2011.)

When the US Ambassador, Gene Cretz, ran the Stars and Stripes up over the American Embassy in Tripoli, at its re-opening ceremony on 22nd September, he remarked: “We know that oil is the jewel in the crown of Libya’s natural resources.”

There have been many reports of Predator drones over Libya these last seven months. Seems there may be even more predators on the ground.

On Sunday 23rd October, 2011, the non-elected insurgents (sorry, National Transitional Council) are to declare Libya’s “liberation.”

The day marks the centenary of an Italian pilot becoming the first to use aircraft in war, taking off from Libya to observe Turkish troops in the Turko-Italian war on 23rd October 1911.

Ironically it also marks the first meeting of the UN General Assembly — 23rd October 1946 — a body which has strayed so far from its fine, stated aspirations.

*****

UPDATE: As I finish this, it is being announced that Colonel Gaddafi’s body will be returned to his family for burial. It is indeed, if disgustingly belatedly so, incumbent upon the “authorities” to do so. We will see.

Felicity Arbuthnot is a journalist with special knowledge of Iraq. Author, with Nikki van der Gaag, of Baghdad in the Great City series for World Almanac books, she has also been Senior Researcher for two Award winning documentaries on Iraq, John Pilger's Paying the Price: Killing the Children of Iraq and Denis Halliday Returns for RTE (Ireland.) Read other articles by Felicity.

by Felicity Arbuthnot / October 23rd, 2011


@ Will L

24.10.2011 16:35

Will L,

Putting to one side for a moment Knot Eyed Jaguar's motivation, I think it's money as well, why do you think that a certain part of the activist world is so quick and keen to believe this sort of nonsense ?

I have met people who it seems just so want to think that 911 was an inside job there is nothing that can be said to dissuade them and during a recent meeting I heard a young intelligent student say he would never believe that Bin Laden had been killed by the Americans. Never is a very strong word and it seemed this young man could be presented with just about any evidence whatsoever and nothing could persuade him.

Why on earth are some people prepared to listen to nutters like Knot Eyed Jaguar but not researched, proven evidence that lists real facts ?

Marco
mail e-mail: marco@yahoo.com


Still we await the clear proof that Gaddafi is dead.

24.10.2011 16:38

Wait for the evidence that the Americans obviously have proving beyond all doubt that it was Gadaffi that died

The real Knot-Eyed Jaguar


You lose

24.10.2011 16:43

>> 0.05 film shows different sandals as film is edited between two shots
Can't see any sandals at 0.05. Maybe the ones you see are on different people?
+++ They are clearly different, you are a liar

>> 0.07 claim is that Gaddafi is dead and yet now his eyes are moving and he is looking at camera
I don't think they mean he is dead at 0.07 lol!!!!!!!!! I think they are reporting he is dead and showing the footage. Gawd..... they don't mean at the exact milliseconds!!
+++ Listen to the commentary, they are saying he was already dead at this point

>> 0.14 - shows bullet hole, low down on side of temple, later in film hole is high up near top of head
Can't see that.
+++ It's clearly there

>> 0.23 - soldier is wearing Israeli army Type 21 combat boots. Issued to Special Forces units.
Year, he is also carrying a gun which clearly makes him Israeli special forces. Idiot.
+++ Only Israeli Special Forces wear this type of boot. Next

>> Resolution - the film is clearly recorded on two different resolutions and knitted together.
No it isn't
+++ It clearly is but I will assume you know nothing of film production

>> The colour of the sand varies between shots exposing the different locations.
No it doesn't!
+++ Look again it is very obvious

>> The Arabic spoken by the soldiers is not representative of Northern African Arabic as spoken by Libyans instead is accented Jordanian Arabic as taught to Israeli soldiers.
No it isn't
+++ Do you speak Arabic, this is all over Al Jazeera, do they not speak Arabic either ?

>> The blood on Gaddafi's face is supposed to be fresh and yet it is already dried.
Who said it is "fresh"? Its the fucking desert, things dry quickly. He was holed up for ages after the bombing. Anyway, it looks fucking like wet blood to me
+++ So he was shot two minutes ago and the blood dried straight away did it ?

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


Mapping the trolls.

24.10.2011 19:36

OK.

So now the troll has got bored with this and moved on these are the comments that are false and were not posted by me.



1. The original article called "Gaddafi death, the lie is beginning to unravel"



2. Comment "Interesting":
"I see that our Troll has decided the way to try and discredit my post is by pretending to be me and claiming I did not write the post. I wonder why somebody would try to smear me and not deal with the points made in my post and the subsequent ones from other posters.
Is the fake Knot-Eyed Jaguar claiming the film is real ?
Is the fake Knot-Eyed Jaguar claiming those are not Israeli Army boots ?
Is the fake Knot-Eyed Jaguar claiming the Arabic spoken is with a Libyan accent ?
Is the fake Knot-Eyed Jaguar claiming that this is proof of Gaddafi's death ?
What motivation would the fake Knot-Eyed Jaguar have in trying to pretend this film is everything it claims to be ?"



3. Comment "Trolling ?"
"Explain this
 http://libyanfreepress.wordpress.com/category/stephen-lendman/"



4. Comment "The al Qaeda & CIA Link"
"News today that a US Army commander has already warned of a "rise in al Qaeda activity within Libya". How very convenient for everybody.
Still we await the clear proof that Gaddafi is dead."



5. Comment "Implosion of the troll"
"Are you ?"



6. Comment "Still we await the clear proof that Gaddafi is dead."
"Wait for the evidence that the Americans obviously have proving beyond all doubt that it was Gadaffi that died"



7. Comment "You lose"
">> 0.05 film shows different sandals as film is edited between two shots
Can't see any sandals at 0.05. Maybe the ones you see are on different people?
+++ They are clearly different, you are a liar
>> 0.07 claim is that Gaddafi is dead and yet now his eyes are moving and he is looking at camera
I don't think they mean he is dead at 0.07 lol!!!!!!!!! I think they are reporting he is dead and showing the footage. Gawd..... they don't mean at the exact milliseconds!!
+++ Listen to the commentary, they are saying he was already dead at this point
>> 0.14 - shows bullet hole, low down on side of temple, later in film hole is high up near top of head
Can't see that.
+++ It's clearly there
>> 0.23 - soldier is wearing Israeli army Type 21 combat boots. Issued to Special Forces units.
Year, he is also carrying a gun which clearly makes him Israeli special forces. Idiot.
+++ Only Israeli Special Forces wear this type of boot. Next
>> Resolution - the film is clearly recorded on two different resolutions and knitted together.
No it isn't
+++ It clearly is but I will assume you know nothing of film production
>> The colour of the sand varies between shots exposing the different locations.
No it doesn't!
+++ Look again it is very obvious
>> The Arabic spoken by the soldiers is not representative of Northern African Arabic as spoken by Libyans instead is accented Jordanian Arabic as taught to Israeli soldiers.
No it isn't
+++ Do you speak Arabic, this is all over Al Jazeera, do they not speak Arabic either ?
>> The blood on Gaddafi's face is supposed to be fresh and yet it is already dried.
Who said it is "fresh"? Its the fucking desert, things dry quickly. He was holed up for ages after the bombing. Anyway, it looks fucking like wet blood to me
+++ So he was shot two minutes ago and the blood dried straight away did it ? "



8. Comment "For 'loser'"
"Steve Lendman is a respected journalist who received a Harvard BA in 1956 and a Wharton MBA in 1960. After six years as a marketing research analyst, became part of a new small family business in 1967, remaining there until retiring in 1999. He has since devoted his time to progressive causes, extensive reading, and since summer 2005 writing on vital world and national topics, including war and peace, American imperialism, corporate dominance, political persecutions, and a range of other social, economic and political issues. In early 2007 he began regular radio hosting, now The Progressive Radio News Hour on The Progressive Radio Network.

Sounds like someone who did more than just write some words on a blog doesn't it ? "



9. Comment "Course you did"
"I just phoned the guy who posts under the name Knot-Eyed Jaguar"

Liar"

Knot-Eyed Jaguar (the real one)


Overnight update

25.10.2011 11:29


Last night I spoke with a friend in Milan who has information concerning the transfer of gold between Chad and Zimbabwe. Some Gadaffi mercenaries with links to the Democratic Revolutionary Council (CDR) militia arranged the transfer as payment for his escape. The gold was moved via an Ilyushin Il-76 that flew directly to Zimbabwe after collecting the gold at Zougra Airport.

My information is that Hannibal Muammar Gaddafi was also on the flight together with Abdullah Senussi the former Internal Security chief.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar


FAIL

25.10.2011 16:51

"Overnight update

25.10.2011 11:29

Last night I spoke with a friend in Milan who has information concerning the transfer of gold between Chad and Zimbabwe. Some Gadaffi mercenaries with links to the Democratic Revolutionary Council (CDR) militia arranged the transfer as payment for his escape. The gold was moved via an Ilyushin Il-76 that flew directly to Zimbabwe after collecting the gold at Zougra Airport.

My information is that Hannibal Muammar Gaddafi was also on the flight together with Abdullah Senussi the former Internal Security chief.

Knot-Eyed Jaguar"



FAIL

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