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Irish Republican | 08.11.2011 15:45
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Comments
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Violent protest is essential!
08.11.2011 15:52
Anti-cuts and fees protester
Evening Standard article:
08.11.2011 16:16
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24007536-anarchists-threaten-sea-of-rage-at-student-fees-protest-in-city.do
Activist
A sea of RAGE
08.11.2011 16:54
Not_Gandhi
@Anti-cuts and fees protester
08.11.2011 17:19
As for the Northern Ireland thing... I don't really see what would be the point of such thing. As anarchist, I'm opposing to praise national liberation movements in general. I'm aware of the situation of Ireland, and Northern-Ireland in particular, but the same applies to NI as for the rest of the world: The main enemy is at home!
Shelter of Crime
Homepage: shelterofcrime.wordpress.com
@Shelter of Crime
08.11.2011 18:21
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Belfast/183721545037864
Commentator from Occupy Belfast.
"You either believe in revolution or you don't"
08.11.2011 18:40
Wow, good luck. Just know that the vast majority of people standing with you (almost definitely including yourself) wouldn't be standing next to you if it weren't for the outreach work you clearly couldn't give less of a toss about. Know that with your post you put pressure on people with important commitments (such as parents or carers) to abandon their commitments tomorrow in order to come out and risk abandoning them longterm, and on those vulnerable to state persecution (such as illegal immigrants or those on probation) to expose themselves to state attention.
Here's a radical alternative - how about some fucking class solidarity for once you clueless twerp. How about recognising the countless numbers of people who believe in revolution but aren't able to join your macho battle? How about recognising the equally countless numbers of people who believe in revolution but recognise that their particular skills mean they can work towards revolution in other ways far more effectively. Most imporantly how about recognising the infinite number of people who struggle and suffer daily at the hands of the ruling classes, irrespective of their views?
But no, you're right, you get yourself dressed up all ninja and go chuck your brick then come home and boast about how what you did was more revolutionary than the people who ran creches so others could come out and protest, than the people who organised coaches, printed leaflets, braved the 'lame normal' protest despite health problems, financial difficulties, etc etc, or the people who couldn't do anything to help because, let's face it, their struggle is simply more than yours.
By all means people, go out and do whatever you wanna do. But for the love of god let's end this pathetic competition to be more radical, more hardcore, more revolutionary, more this and more that. It's not anarchism, it's not the coming insurrection, it's just a bunch of spoilt kids throwing brick-shaped toys from their prams.
Non-lifestyle-anarchist
@ Commenter Occupy Belfast
08.11.2011 18:43
:S
too soon
08.11.2011 20:49
2012 moon
@Non-lifestyle-anarchist
08.11.2011 21:23
Lifestyle Anarchist ;)
hmm
08.11.2011 21:25
is such a bloody stuphid thing to say and sooo typical of this violance debate as if there is some certain time wen things get so bad that eventually u will get of your lame march and do some thing.
You obviously are so privlidged that you cant even see other people's lives
ahh in fact if you expand this argumant your comming from an insain right wing point of view where people should fight the police because the have enough money to shop at liddle and live in a shit house.
well piss off you rich bastard and enjoying doing wat ever pointless thing that makes you feel good about your self.
also
WHERE IS THE WORST PLACE TO LIVE
WHERE AND WHEN IS IT OK TO FIGHT AGEINST A VIOLENT OPPRESSIVE GOVERNEMT
and if u cant see its oppressive then its proberly caues ure part of the group of people that benifits from the oppression rather than suffers it...........
Wat??
Wat??
08.11.2011 23:25
:s
Violence isn't the main issue - educate yourself about actual politics!!
09.11.2011 00:22
Many violent campaigns have achieved real political results, many violent campaigns have totally backfired. RELYING on violence to achieve political change is however completely naive - read this post and LEARN something you daft plank...
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485130.html
Smarty Pants
Ok, this is my take on it...
09.11.2011 00:42
To be honest, tomorrow, I don't see what rioting can achieve, I don't see the government reversing it's cuts because of the demo either way (Peaceful of not). but they already have damage control mechanisms ready. They already have the prepared statement for the next Tomlinson, they already have the intel. gathering to make arrests straight after the demo, and they already have the PR to justify the repression to follow.
Saying that, I think it could be useful to riot tomorrow if we can sustain it, if we can stay and keep rioting for weeks on end, bringing the city to a standstill, and not stopping until all the cuts are of the table. but this isn't going to happen, no one has this sort of energy, and most people already know which pub they are going to retire to at the end of the day. if that is the situation, then we might as well just go there to be counted, and go home knowing we've changed nothing. but this city have seen it's fair share of smashed windows, and tomorrow won't be a make or break situation either.
Tralala
Absolute Misinformation
09.11.2011 00:53
K90
lifestyle anarchist .....
09.11.2011 02:09
But if you're gonna play that game - I never said the poster did, nor does anything I said rely on the poster aligning his/herself with anarchism. So I've gotta ask ..... what the fuck are you on about?
Non-lifestyle anarchist
Boriiiiing.
09.11.2011 02:42
Irish Provo's are strictly heirarchal organisations with a tendency toward military rank sytem of organisation. Once your in, life isn't good and you don't get to act autonomously.
IM anonymity no longer working.