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Important information for those going on N9 demonstration

Irish Republican | 08.11.2011 15:45

Remember the Britain is still occupying and oppressing the people of Northern Ireland so please show solidarity with the Irish Republican Movement! So bring Irish flags and banner with slogans on them such as Britain out of Ulster.

The struggle continues on the streets of Ulster:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRuuAEtW2c&feature=related

Irish Republican

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Violent protest is essential!

08.11.2011 15:52

Most people are saying keep this protest peaceful, but when did peaceful protest ever change anything in the entire history of the world? The above poster is right, Britain is actually still oppressing and occupying the North of Ireland just as it is in Afghanistan. Therefore lets turn London into Belfast on the 9th of November! After all you either believe in revolution or you don't if you do then prepare for a violent battle tommorow!

Anti-cuts and fees protester


Evening Standard article:

08.11.2011 16:16

The Evening Standard is certainly predicting that the demonstration will be violent see this:
 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24007536-anarchists-threaten-sea-of-rage-at-student-fees-protest-in-city.do

Activist


A sea of RAGE

08.11.2011 16:54

is so much better than a shower of shite.

Not_Gandhi


@Anti-cuts and fees protester

08.11.2011 17:19

Just keep it easy man! You jump to the opposite extreme to the liberal-lefty-pacifist types. There's no need to advocate peace, there's no need to advocate violence. Violence is a tool, not a strategy. If there's a need to use it, we shouldn't ignore it, but to use it just for the sake of it is pointless. It can't be the goal to leave hundreds of injured (cops or demonstrators). Violence only makes sense if it is carefully planned and exercised among other tools (occupations, strikes, sabotage, whatever).

As for the Northern Ireland thing... I don't really see what would be the point of such thing. As anarchist, I'm opposing to praise national liberation movements in general. I'm aware of the situation of Ireland, and Northern-Ireland in particular, but the same applies to NI as for the rest of the world: The main enemy is at home!

Shelter of Crime
- Homepage: shelterofcrime.wordpress.com


@Shelter of Crime

08.11.2011 18:21

Do you know anything at all about the situation over here in Northern Ireland? Do you know that the nationalist community here has been under siege for decades from the army, police and loyalist thugs? This shocking massacre is just one example of how the nationalist community have suffered and took place in 1972:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_tbsf3pg80&feature=related Not one solider was charge for murder or unlawful killing relating to that atrocity. I note how people like you always champion the cause of the Palestinians well the nationalist community of Ulster has suffered just as bad as the Palestinians have.
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy-Belfast/183721545037864

Commentator from Occupy Belfast.


"You either believe in revolution or you don't"

08.11.2011 18:40

So what you're saying is, some people will fight the cops with you tomorrow and others aren't radical enough? It's acceptable to equate 'willing to ruck with cops on this particular demo' with 'revolutionary'? There's no point in putting forward arguments and engaging in dialogues to spread revolutionary ideals? It's just a natural characteristic some of us have and others don't?

Wow, good luck. Just know that the vast majority of people standing with you (almost definitely including yourself) wouldn't be standing next to you if it weren't for the outreach work you clearly couldn't give less of a toss about. Know that with your post you put pressure on people with important commitments (such as parents or carers) to abandon their commitments tomorrow in order to come out and risk abandoning them longterm, and on those vulnerable to state persecution (such as illegal immigrants or those on probation) to expose themselves to state attention.

Here's a radical alternative - how about some fucking class solidarity for once you clueless twerp. How about recognising the countless numbers of people who believe in revolution but aren't able to join your macho battle? How about recognising the equally countless numbers of people who believe in revolution but recognise that their particular skills mean they can work towards revolution in other ways far more effectively. Most imporantly how about recognising the infinite number of people who struggle and suffer daily at the hands of the ruling classes, irrespective of their views?

But no, you're right, you get yourself dressed up all ninja and go chuck your brick then come home and boast about how what you did was more revolutionary than the people who ran creches so others could come out and protest, than the people who organised coaches, printed leaflets, braved the 'lame normal' protest despite health problems, financial difficulties, etc etc, or the people who couldn't do anything to help because, let's face it, their struggle is simply more than yours.

By all means people, go out and do whatever you wanna do. But for the love of god let's end this pathetic competition to be more radical, more hardcore, more revolutionary, more this and more that. It's not anarchism, it's not the coming insurrection, it's just a bunch of spoilt kids throwing brick-shaped toys from their prams.

Non-lifestyle-anarchist


@ Commenter Occupy Belfast

08.11.2011 18:43

No need to turn it into a competition dude. He wasn't downplaying your struggle, he's pointing out that the shit's on the loose everywhere. Sorry mate but NI isn't the worst place in the world to live.

:S


too soon

08.11.2011 20:49

leave it til it needs it fella, place is full o' rozzers anyway, save it for a rainy day

2012 moon


@Non-lifestyle-anarchist

08.11.2011 21:23

I'm presuming that you're replying to the first commentor "Anti-cuts..." who didn't mention the word Anarchist or imply any Anarchist theory or rhetoric in their post ... what the fuck are you going on about?

Lifestyle Anarchist ;)


hmm

08.11.2011 21:25

"not the worst place to live"
is such a bloody stuphid thing to say and sooo typical of this violance debate as if there is some certain time wen things get so bad that eventually u will get of your lame march and do some thing.
You obviously are so privlidged that you cant even see other people's lives
ahh in fact if you expand this argumant your comming from an insain right wing point of view where people should fight the police because the have enough money to shop at liddle and live in a shit house.
well piss off you rich bastard and enjoying doing wat ever pointless thing that makes you feel good about your self.
also
WHERE IS THE WORST PLACE TO LIVE
WHERE AND WHEN IS IT OK TO FIGHT AGEINST A VIOLENT OPPRESSIVE GOVERNEMT
and if u cant see its oppressive then its proberly caues ure part of the group of people that benifits from the oppression rather than suffers it...........

Wat??


Wat??

08.11.2011 23:25

Pffft read what I wrote. We don't need to lie that NI is the worse to live in the world to justify fighting back. Fight back everywhere.

:s


Violence isn't the main issue - educate yourself about actual politics!!

09.11.2011 00:22

"When did peaceful protest ever change anything in the entire history of the world?" Martin Luther King?! Civil rights?! Gandhi?! Liberating over a billion people from Imperial rule?!

Many violent campaigns have achieved real political results, many violent campaigns have totally backfired. RELYING on violence to achieve political change is however completely naive - read this post and LEARN something you daft plank...

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485130.html

Smarty Pants


Ok, this is my take on it...

09.11.2011 00:42

There isn't a recipe for exactly when rioting / violence is useful, and when it's detrimental. It's usually a combination of both. Do I think rioting tomorrow is a good idea? No I don't! I think the state is already geared up for it. I thought last year, the Millibank demo was useful, it made a very strong point, and it came as a surprise to the state. before that, the government probably thought no one will really care that much about the cuts, or that people will understand their necessity, they now have to use much more cautious words. Last year's demo threatened the government, it showed them that people are willing to fight them, and that they can't predict where the next "violent insurrection" will happen.

To be honest, tomorrow, I don't see what rioting can achieve, I don't see the government reversing it's cuts because of the demo either way (Peaceful of not). but they already have damage control mechanisms ready. They already have the prepared statement for the next Tomlinson, they already have the intel. gathering to make arrests straight after the demo, and they already have the PR to justify the repression to follow.

Saying that, I think it could be useful to riot tomorrow if we can sustain it, if we can stay and keep rioting for weeks on end, bringing the city to a standstill, and not stopping until all the cuts are of the table. but this isn't going to happen, no one has this sort of energy, and most people already know which pub they are going to retire to at the end of the day. if that is the situation, then we might as well just go there to be counted, and go home knowing we've changed nothing. but this city have seen it's fair share of smashed windows, and tomorrow won't be a make or break situation either.

Tralala


Absolute Misinformation

09.11.2011 00:53

There is no "message" for N9 protests, either literally (there's no actual message here) or metaphorically. A struggle goes on in the minds of the "Real" IRA - a group so insane they butcher members of their own community in the belief they're striking back against the British, which is no doubt why Daily Mail and/or MI5 trolls posted this shit as they'd LOVE to see anti-capitalists resorting to terrorism to wreck protests like N9 etc

K90


lifestyle anarchist .....

09.11.2011 02:09

While the poster didn't explicitly mention any anarchist theory, it was chock full of the same old predictable braindead insurrectionist bullshit that's been spearheading the middle-class hijacking of anarchism for decades.

But if you're gonna play that game - I never said the poster did, nor does anything I said rely on the poster aligning his/herself with anarchism. So I've gotta ask ..... what the fuck are you on about?

Non-lifestyle anarchist


Boriiiiing.

09.11.2011 02:42

This article is clearly posted by somebody with an extreme right wing nationalist outlook.

Irish Provo's are strictly heirarchal organisations with a tendency toward military rank sytem of organisation. Once your in, life isn't good and you don't get to act autonomously.

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