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Total Failure of Class Struggle Politics in the UK

The Messenger | 25.11.2011 11:28 | Occupy Everywhere | Culture | Public sector cuts | Workers' Movements

In Sept 2011 a thread was posted on Indymedia under the title "Total Failure of Class War Politics in Britain", and while that thread focussed on analysing the specific failure of the anarchist group "Class War", that thread is also a critique of class struggle activism generally. One thing Ian Bone was right about was the need to create a genuinely populist anarchist movement in the UK, but "populist" no longer means "workerist", and until British anarchists face up to that then they are doomed to fail forever in the UK.





In Sept 2011 a thread was posted on Indymedia under the title "Total Failure of Class War Politics in Britain" (1), and while that thread focussed on analysing the specific failure of the anarchist group "Class War", that thread is also a critique of class struggle activism generally, as a philosophy and as a form of activist strategy. It goes without saying that this thread did NOT say that class warfare does not exist as a critically important aspect of everyday life, and (if they've not done so already) Indy readers are asked to study its arguments carefully, before jumping to hasty conclusions (or posting hasty comments) about what it was that thread actually said.

The thread argued that the kind of activism promoted by Class War (and since continued by Class War's founder Ian Bone) alienated more people than it attracted - including alienating many working class people, and alienating activists, as more activists left politics as a result of Ian Bone's ideological coup than joined. The thread also described the reasons why this happened, and backed-up its case with hard evidence - pointing to the final closure Class War as a group itself, and comparing the 20 signatures attracted by Ian Bone's "Close down Eton College" petition to the 439,166 signatures attracted by the 38 Degrees petition to defend the NHS. Comments following that thread also showed the video of Ian Bone's Eton protest was "liked" by just 81 people, but "disliked" by 394.

By way of an update, in the 2 months since then, the "likes" on Ian Bone's video have risen by by just TWO people to 83, while the "dislikes" have risen to 410, and the 38 Degrees petition had attracted 494,083 signatures while again Ian Bone's e-petition has attracted just TWO more signatures (see images).

While I totally agree with Ian Bone's statement that Eton "should be closed down immediately without compensation and (the) buildings handed over to local state schools", his statement that "Old Etonians run" not just "our government" but also "everything else" is straight-up false, and Bone's own words illustrate contradictions in anarchist dogma that cripple activists in their ability to communicate with the general public. Ian Bone says that Eton's buildings should be handed over to state schools, but anarchists are opposed to the very existence of the state! Most "ordinary" people are well able to see that agitators like this are being willfully hypocritical, therefore (and for all the good points about anarchist ideas and practices) most people are NEVER going to waste their lives getting involved with activists whose ideas absolutely do not make sense. A fair bit more importantly, the NHS is also in large part still run by the state.

Another thread has been posted on Indymedia arguing why it is that political strategies that seem viable in cultures like Greece almost certainly won't work in the UK (2), and, particularly in the light of how Ian Bone used the totally legitimate issue of opposition to private education to display a banner that in effect associated anarchism with threats to murder school-kids, another thread shows how, in the same way, in its present form the British anarchist movement is more of an asset to the right-wing establishment than a threat (3). One thing Ian Bone was right about was the need to create a genuinely populist anarchist movement in the UK, but "populist" no longer means "workerist", and until British anarchists face up to that then they are doomed to fail forever in the UK.

This present critique is NOT some kind of call to disillusionment or apathy however, as with the Nov 30 strikes and protests fast approaching, the prospects for activist politics are very exciting, and we all need to work hard to engage and involve as many of our friends and work-mates as we can. We need to NOT FUCK-UP on N30 however, so readers are asked to think very carefully about the arguments put forward in these various threads. One final thought - of course the public are alienated by the class struggle rhetoric of hard-line Communist groups just as much as they're alienated by class struggle anarchism, so the core arguments apply just as much to the Hammer & Sickle merchants who do so much to ruin protests and demonstrations etc as they do to class struggle anarchists.

1)  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485338.html?c=on#comments
2)  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485142.html
3)  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/09/485095.html

The Messenger

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Not class struggle anarchism

25.11.2011 11:50

i wouldn't go equating bone (and his manic progeny) with class struggle anarchism. It is and always has been a kindof fused opinionated individulaism with surly sun reader artifice. It's neither anarchism nor particularly political.

That said this is a grim reminder of the utter failure of class struggle anarchism in the UK - run up to the most important collective working class action in half a century and THIS is the best the anarchist can come up with:  http://n30strike.wordpress.com/

Idol hands devil


are you trolling or what?

25.11.2011 12:17

So you look at a few jokey things posted on the internet and just because they haven't "gone viral" you deduce that no-one cares about them? I'm sure you could find a million internet petitions on far more serious subjects that have less people sign them.

That's just because internet petitions (and petitions in general) are basically totally useless, so it's not surprising anarchists aren't lining up to sign them. Not to mention having your details tracked. Petitions are for Facebook-using idiots to complain about soap operas.

These things are just done as publicity stunts, you can think that's a bad idea if you want, but you are completely missing the point if you expect millions of people to sign some obscure petition about Eton.

"This present critique is NOT some kind of call to disillusionment or apathy however,"

Er, yes it is actually - articles about "Total Failure" are self-fulfilling prophecies. It's whining anarcho-negativists like you that give anarchists who like a laugh a bad name.

anon


Crap.

25.11.2011 13:12

"This present critique is NOT some kind of call to disillusionment or apathy however,"

Got to agree with the other poster, that is EXACTLY what this is.

Nothing to see here, move along.

PC Fiddle Wivit.


More to the point?

25.11.2011 14:48

Anarchism ........ Class Struggle

I'm afraid you are confused about something. The fight anarchism vs authoritarianism and the fight poor vs rich are NOT the same fight. To be sure, SOME of us on the anarchist side are aligned with SOME of us in class struggle. But that doesn't make it the same fight.

You have little grasp of history over the last hundred years if you hadn't noticed that large chunks of the left were just as authoritarian as anything on the economic right. And while less obvious on your side of the pond, at least some small part of the economic right over here has been anti-authoritarian.

Might I humbly suggest that as soon as your expectation is that your allies in one fight will be your allies in all your fights you will soon join the authoritarians. Anarchists need to accept that it is an unavoidable problem how to relate to those who are allies in one fight but on the other side in some other.

MDN


Reactions to comments

25.11.2011 15:11

With all due respect critics of this post seem to be missing the point somewhat...

Q - "I wouldn't go equating Bone (and his manic progeny) with class struggle anarchism"
A - That doesn't mean Bone's actions don't strongly influence public perceptions of class struggle anarchism and anarchism in general, and that doesn't mean that class struggle anarchism still hasn't failed ;)

Q - "Petitions in general... are basically totally useless, so it's not surprising anarchists aren't lining up to sign them"
A - Ultimately this post isn't about what (a few hundred) anarchists are or aren't signing up to, it's about what a few hundred thousand non-anarchists are doing to try to stop robberies like the NHS "reforms". As always, the only way to guarantee petitions won't work is not to sign them, but either way this post is not about the relative efficacy of petitions as a campaigning tool, it's about using responses to petitions etc as one means of quantifying the actual impact that class struggle anarchism has on people's beliefs. Back to petitions however, petitions may not be much cop, but are petitions really MORE useless than the current Anarchist movement?

Q- "That is EXACTLY what this is"?
A - OK, point taken, to an extent - this post IS designed to disillusion people of the myths on class struggle anarchism, it is NOT however designed to encourage political apathy. The 99% movement has attracted widespread public support on the basis of being (as it's name suggests) INCLUSIVE, unlike class struggle anarchism, which by its very nature alienates the huge section of society that see themselves as middle-class. If anarchism can't think through the ramifications of that fact, then, as above, it's doomed to fail.

Finally MDN says the original post displays "little grasp of history " but it's MDN's comment that shows little grasp of the original post. The post did not say that the struggle against authoritarianism and against economic exploitation are the "same fight" as such (although it's self-evident there's a huge overlap) - yes, just for the record, poor people can abuse and exploit other poor people too.

Communications Worker


The state you're in

25.11.2011 15:15

I'd be more impressed if critics of this argument actually answered the points about anarchists opposing state welfare cuts while also opposing... the state itself

Postie


Impossible to do

25.11.2011 15:55

"I'd be more impressed if critics of this argument actually answered the points about anarchists opposing state welfare cuts while also opposing... the state itself"

What and admit the basic failure at the heart of Anarchist thinking, that anarchism needs the very thing it professes to wish to destroy ?

Anarchism is a totally flawed political philosophy as anybody with a basic understanding of economics and sociology will happily tell you however it does keep a few people happy so I don't think it does much harm either.

Another


No contradiction

25.11.2011 22:50

Your argument is tired and crap. Here's a good bit from Black Flag 233 explaining why it's bollocks:
"After the march, the black bloc provoked a spate of articles by commentators whose obvious ignorance of anarchism did not cause them to pause before expressing it in the printed page.
One, in the Evening Standard, proclaimed that anarchists wished to abolish the state and so should have been supporting the (neo-liberal) cuts.
First, anarchism has never been purely anti-state – surely “property is theft” shows that. Privatising government services is just as anti-anarchist as nationalisation (we favour workers’
associations running industry). Second, it is the government which is imposing these cuts onto the general population. It is a strange “anarchist” who would side with the state against its subjects… And that is the key. Anarchists are against the state because it is an instrument of class rule whose function is to protect the interests of the owning class. These cuts are top-down class war by the ruling elite, ideologically driven to grind the working-class even more into the ground (“fairness” being used to level down the many while enriching the few!).
We are not against the state in the abstract. We are against it for very specific reasons and recognise that “reforms” imposed from the top-down by politicians (aiming to please big business) are of a significantly different character than those imposed from the below, by the people, against the wishes of state and capital. In short, the state can only be abolished by its subjects – along with the class inequalities and hierarchies it defends.
To use an analogy, anarchists are also against wage-labour and aim, in the long term, to abolish it in favour of associated labour but that does not stop us supporting, in the short-term, struggles to improve our wages and conditions.
At its most basic, anarchists are antistate AND anti-capitalist — privatising state functions, handing over services to capitalist companies and reducing the state to just defence of private property is an anti-anarchist approach.
Moreover, the struggles against these cuts can create a social movement, a culture of resistance in our communities and workplaces, which will help tame the power of the state until such time as we can abolish it. Which is another good reason to support these protests."

Anarchist


Reply re - Black Flag

26.11.2011 00:23

As usual the comment above is based on a defensive reaction that stems from not reading the original article properly. The article talks about "contradictions in anarchist dogma that cripple activists in their ability to communicate with the general public" - emphasis on the word "communicate", and the example in question is the specific description that Ian Bone used for the petition he created, not any other text that appeared in Black Flag. Thanks for taking the time to explain your view on this, but, as an anarchist myself, I'm well aware that anarchism has pragmatic proposals for running industry, for maintaining infrastructure and for administering social institutions outside of State control - I don't need a lecture on that; the issue here is about how anarchists communicate those ideas to the general public. It's pointless bleating on about how non-anarchists are ignorant of anarchism - of course they are, but it's activists' perogative to take responsibility for that situation and to learn to present their arguments in a clear and cogent form, rather than using arguments and terminology that confuse the general public, and rather than trying to BLAME outsiders for their presumed ignorance of belief systems that have been badly expressed and poorly communicated in the first place.

The underlying problem that's being addressed in the most recent comment stems from anarchism's failure to properly distinguish between those (mostly pre-war) State mechanisms that exist purely and simply to oppress people, and those (mostly post-war) State institutions that exist alongside them to administer the infrastructure of modern social welfare. The entire language of anarchist opposition to the State is an anachronism derived from Victorian political thought (Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon etc) - from eras in which the State taxed and oppressed people but provided very little in terms of social welfare. Anarchism routinely speaks of smashing institutions it refers to as "The State", but then opposes attacks on other institutions that the general public also recognise as being arms of The State! This language IS self-contradictory and therefore comes across as hypocritical - it's like the "what have the Romans ever done for us" sketch in Monty Python, so please don't complain when the media take anarchists to task for such obvious self-contradictions! You need to express your ideas better, not whine about how badly expressed ideas have been misunderstood. It's very much a case of "Don't shoot the messenger!"

It's interesting that the Black Flag article you quote speaks of wanting to "help tame the power of the state", because if that's what Black Flag THINK, then why is it that most anarchists speak in terms NOT of "taming" but of OVERTHROWING the State? Again this goes back to the basic contradiction, because if the State was overthrown, or smashed, or whatever, as things stand at present that would in the short-term be disastrous for working-class people, which is presumably why, when pinned-down on the subject, Black Flag choose their words considerably more cautiously, and speak instead in terms of "taming" the State ;)

As for the point about the "culture of resistance", I agree, but the major point of this post is to argue that you're not likely to succeed in creating that culture if you choose to alienate at least 50% of the public before you even start.

Post


Contradictions

26.11.2011 00:55

As reported in Crowbar magazine I think, one of the founding statements of the Class War group in the mid-1980s said something about how most working-class people thought of Anarchists as being (pretty much verbatim) "Oxford University types with dictionaries stuffed up their arses", which is a situation that Class War sought to, errr... rectify. Fast forward to 2011 and Class War's founder has reinvented himself as some kind of supporter of popular uprisings whose purpose was to DEFEND university education, many of whose activists are engaged in exposing people like Sir Phillip Green for not paying ENOUGH tax to... the State. If you insist on denying stuff like that's contradictory then you Sir are a bit of a plank.

Nails


From "Anarchism: A Very Short Introduction" by Colin Ward

26.11.2011 01:53



Excellent stuff from "Anarchism: A Very Short Introduction" by Colin Ward. Articulate and well-informed anarchists like Colin Ward are, unfortunately however, alot less well-known or influential than geniuses like Ian Bone. Impressive as it is, Ward's response to the critique of anarchism that's echoed in the discussion above, is to point out facts about workers' self-organisation that are (sadly) just as "outmoded", having come to an end nearly 100 years ago, as the anarchist ideology that Ward quotes those facts in order to defend.

Sadly it's very much a question of (quote) forms of "social organisation (that) COULD have evolved", rather than forms of social organisation that DID evolve, into the long-term. Since the Class War Federation couldn't even sustain an organisation with 5 members in it, I doubt Ian Bone (or Black Flag for that matter) will be founding a worker-funded autonomous health service any time soon, so the criticism that anarchism opposes the same State that actually does provide healthcare remains valid until such time as the anarchist movement's sufficiently well-organised to provide realistic alternatives

The cartoon is from a separate source

Pan


Anarchists welfare.

26.11.2011 11:58

All of these comments show pretty well whats wrong with Anarchism, or those that choose to attack it (hello, PC Piglet). Obviously we have to be careful of misguided police officers and CCO posting deliberately offensive content here at IMCUK in order to give the media something to spit poison at.

You can't seem to put distance between Government and its devices.

The welfare state is owned by the people. Government just manages it by funding it from the public purse. That doesn't mean the welfare state is bad because its managed by the government. Its an association and nothing more.

If we had an autonomous state, the welfare system would still be in place. It just wouldn't be managed by government.

The government is a separate entity that in reality is three political parties all operating under the banner of Parliament. It is Parliament that manufactures the veneer of choice and representation of the people. The political parties are just pre-planned idelogues operating in concert with each other trying to maintain the idea that we have a choice through adversorial competition.

In reality there is no choice, just the veneer of choice. Whoever you vote for, the government always win. That government is Parliament.

The welfare state is a device by arrangement of the people. It is funded by the people. It exists for the benefit of the people. Without the people, the welfare state would not exist. If it were not for the people, Parliament would not have had the will or desire to create it out of thin air.

The welfare state is ours and ours alone.

Anarchists should have no difficulty understanding that but as this article is almost certainly not written by Anarchists, and instead almost certainly written by people who are up to no good, it seems sensible to educate this miscreant in the reality of life.

anonymous


Yeah, right

26.11.2011 12:42

Pointing out that Ian Bone's petition has been signed by 22 people, as opposed to the nearly HALF MILLION people who signed the 38 Degrees petition, is a case of being "up to no good"?! And of course anyone who points out facts you aren't comfortable MUST therefore be a copper... right?!

Ian Bone's specific campaigns and general approach have FAILED, over a period of many decades, and, as proven by the evidence above, they're still failing - but what the hell, just carry on as normal, blithely reproducing campaigning formulas that don't work.

As for Anon's analysis of the welfare system - I agree, but you're preaching to the converted mate, now you need to convince 60 million other UK citizens that you're right, and convince them that the fantastically complex infrastructure of social welfare is safe in the hands of a movement best known for producing punk songs and smashing shop windows.... Next....

Next


Anarchist Federation

26.11.2011 13:03

From page 255 of Ian Bone's own book - "Any thinking revolutionary with the merest hint of a self-critical faculty would have to ask "Why are there so few of us"? But they don't. Recently the leader of the Anarchist Federation revealed they had 75 members - this after 20 years existence. Far from being downcast however, he regarded this figure as something on an upturn... Those who believe they hold the truth are always delusional."

Even Ian Bone recognises the problem, what he hasn't recognised (or won't admit) is that he's part of cause, and the clue's in the name - "Class War". It's REALLY SIMPLE. Most working class people don't want to go to war and a huge section of society no longer see themselves as working class. Any campaigns that refuse to acknowledge those facts will never succeed.

Given that, Anarchists can either contribute to the actions on Nov 30 or they can help fuck them up.

Swansea Sound


Revolutionary Class Struggle Anarchism and N30

26.11.2011 15:28

Class Struggle
Class Struggle

In 2011, after the biggest protests the UK's seen in decades - "The Anarchist Federation was founded as the Anarchist Communist Federation 25 years ago. We describe ourselves as... revolutionary class struggle anarchists, and operate as a membership organisation. The AF now numbers well over a hundred members"

 http://www.afed.org.uk/component/content/article/66-welcome-to-afed-website.html

QED


NOT what I meant by "history"

26.11.2011 17:09

Those of us of the libertarian left know (or certainly should know) that for the last hundred years or so we have been badly outnumbered by the authoritarian left and have suffered as a result whenever they came to power. Perhaps as much as we have suffered from the right.

THAT is what I meant.

Nor are all anarchists of the left. It is common to call the individualist anarchists "right wing anarchists" but we must remember when we use that term for them that have little to nothing in common with what we normally mean by "right wing". There is no good reason to suppose that if we ever acheived our dreams that these other anarchists could not coexist with us depending on the size/scale of our collectives. We have much more in common with them than we do with the authoritarian left (*).

And I suggest all of the left (and especially left anarchists) should look at how the "right wing anarchists" analyze the question "what is property and where does it come from?" Too often we consider property as if it were a "real thing" ignoring the possibility that it is just a relationship and dependent on societal belief systems for its existence.


* That was the conclusion back in the 60's when NY Federation of Anarchists (left anarchists) met with some of the individualist anarchists to talk about where we agreed and where we disagreed.

MDN


choopper

26.11.2011 17:16

#### The AF now numbers well over a hundred members

Whoopee... thats about 0.00017% of the population then?
Anarchists lightly unrepresentative of the population i reckon. One could almost say they are a fringe group

mexican


re: chooper

26.11.2011 18:05

There doesn't even exist an "anti-anarchist" organisation, as far as I know.

There for I deduce that no-one in the UK is opposed to anarchism!

Of course, anarchists tend to be the sort of people who don't like "joining" organisations...

anon


choopper

27.11.2011 02:00

#### There for I deduce that no-one in the UK is opposed to anarchism!

Does that mean if "no-one" opposes anarchism, then they all support it?
Wheres the evidence for this?

choopper


re: choopper - Swooooosh

27.11.2011 13:46

That was the sound of the point going right over your head. Re-read what you said, and what my reply was. It's not that complicated.

anon


A message to the Anarchist Federation

28.11.2011 11:26

Anarchist Federation
Anarchist Federation

The reason The Daily Mail CHOSE to put a photo showing an Anarchist Federation banner as the lead image for their coverage of N30 in today's edition, is because they, as intelligent and effective hard-right strategists, are totally confident that any association they can draw between the strikes and anarchism WILL drive a wedge between the strikers and other members of the community, and WILL therefore at the very least slow down the strike's ability to build a widespread culture of resistance. I am NOT suggesting that activists should abandon anarchist ideals and practices, I am suggesting activists should box clever and think strategically about how they present themselves in public, so they don't end up unintentionally doing the Daily Mail's work for them

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066955/Public-sector-pensions-strikes-2-3-schools-shut-airport-chaos-Army-standby.html

Federation X


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