Good break point at 26:35 for those who need it.

Last week on Radio Ecoshock we looked at a growing group of activists, authors and scientists who say only a serious economic crash could save us from climate doom.

Now we'll talk with the man who started this flurry, the co-founder of the permaculture movement, Australian David Holmgren, in a rare radio interview.

I'll follow that up with reaction from Canadian finance and alternatives expert Nicole Foss from theautomaticearth.com.

If you care about the future, this is radio you won't want to miss.

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