Yes.

I think I see what you are trying to say.

Yesterday the Daily Express news paper in Britain had on it's front cover a photo of the damaged bus in Tavistock Square. It is claimed that this photo was taken 30 seconds after the explosion and the people on the top deck are just getting to their feet in the image.
It also appears that the Bus driver is running from the bus and has only got so far.

The photo is absolutley perfect, high definition(not a mobile phone image) framed precisely and in full focus. I find it a little difficult to believe that anyone would have been so quick with a camera as to get this shot by happenstance. For one thing there is nothing too picturesque in Tavistock square to photograph apart from the statue of Ghandi, so why was the camera out, switched on and ready. Secondly would your first reaction when standing beside a Bus which has just exploded be to get out your camera instantly and start taking photos?. I personally would have been in shock and perhaps ran away a little before returning with my camera. I accept that a lot of tourists etc. would be carrying cameras around London and that they may even have been photographing the offices of the BMA at that precise instant, but the odds against such a coincidence must be massive.

The movie poster on the side of the bus is chillingly relevant as well.

In regards to the blast pattern of the explosion, it is highly suspect that the people in the shot of the top deck of the bus do not seem to have suffered as much damage as the bus itself. Almost as if focused, shaped charges on all 4 corners of the bus had been used to blow the roof off with minimal damage to the passengers and maximum impact on the population when long, distant images are used on the news. But having said that the structure of the buses top deck looks relatively weak in the images and if the explosion happened somewhere near the back of the bus, as it appears happened, I can accept that the vertical force of the explosion may have flipped the roof over and off. I would be interested to see any CCTV footage that was captured of the event. I seem to remember that there are a few camra points around Tavistock square but I don't recall if any of them are directed at the site of the explosion.

...are all words which begin with C.

Here are two more: Clueless Cunts.

Seriously. If you have PROOF of any conspiracy by "The Man" then let's have it. If not, then shut the fuck up with your amateur CSI-type bullshit.

By the way, I'm anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-government, anti-Sharon and anti-MI5, if it comes to that, so don't get any funny ideas.

London is full of cameras, buildings with cameras, journalists with cameras, tourists with cameras, cops with cameras, camera shops, IT bods with camera gadgets, Indyfolks with cameras, people with phone cameras, broadcasters, etc etc. Still and moving photography. etc etc etc etc etc.

conjecture

n 1: a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence); "speculations about the outcome of the election"; "he dismissed it as mere conjecture" [syn: speculation] 2: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence [syn: guess, supposition, surmise, surmisal, speculation, hypothesis] 3: reasoning that involves the formation of conclusions from incomplete evidence v : to believe especially on uncertain or tentative grounds; "Scientists supposed that large dinosaurs lived in swamps" [syn: speculate, theorize, theorise, hypothesize, hypothesise, hypothecate, suppose]

I think it's fair to say that HARD PROOF will not be forthcoming. Therefore we have to draw what evidence we can from published material even if that is through conjecture. The Daily Express lead photograph is one logic puzzle in itself and should be able to generate debate purely by its existence and content. I dont see any reference to a conspiracy by the man in either of the messages above yours. I cam only assume that you do not read fully before you post. As for amature crime scene investigation, that is up to the individual to decide whether or not to participate.

I'm sorry to hear that you are so anti-things. I'm sur you have your own reasons for your negative feelings toward Bush, Blair, Shaorn and MI5. Perhaps you will share them with us and give us a better understanding of the world as you see it.

i appreciate that you are on the same side FFS, and I agree that we should not bury our heads in conspiracy theories, but can you please chill out with being offensive, I cant stand all the needless digs on here, I am sure you are capable of putting your point accross without resorting to calling people "Clueless C**TS" is being civil to each other too much to aim for?

Yeah yeah yeah and if it werent for the reactionary idiots we wouldnt have any 'debate' here at all.
I love it when pigeon english is ripped apart by some over educated under socialised twat
Can we not just let people have thier say and rip the piss in a more measured and cultured way.

Or is that going to take too long compared to gutteral grunts and puffing out your chest ?

"I love it when pigeon english is ripped apart by some over educated under socialised twat"

"Overeducated"? Piss off! Knowing how to string a few words together in a coherent manner is not a sign of "overeducation" or even "undersocialisation" - whatever that is. I suspect it refers more to idiots who spend their free time trying to pick holes in glaringly obvious terrorist bomb attacks.

Pardon me for taking enough from my bog standard state education to be able to write words properly. I guess you just sat at the back and chucked spitballs 'cos you were such a cool rebel.

It is pathetic the amount of people who try and justify their wilful illiteracy on this site with some poncy and unconvincing "Alan Parker Urban Warrior" political bollocks. If you lot had your way we'd all still be indulging in "gutteral grunts" (its "guttural", by the way - not overeducation, just stop being lazy and LOOK WORDS UP if you don't know how to spell them), honestly, literacy is a Good Thing for working people.

Listen: There is no such thing as being "overeducated", just as there is no such thing as being "overinformed" or "overintelligent".

So I'm "overeducated" yet need to respond to timewasting conspiracy loons in a "more measured and cultured way"? I'd be happy to, but at the moment I'm too cross at the numpties who insist on dragging down the credibility of IMC by flooding it with rubbish - making us easy to dismiss. So pardon me for sweeeaaaring - I'm glad to see you've got your priorities right.

I mean, conspiracy theories derived from a quick butchers at the Daily Express, for crying out loud.

And to all you hippie losers worried about my "negativity" (man): What am I 'pro' ?

I'm pro-libertarian socialism, I'm pro-world peace, I'm pro-freedom of speech (yep, you're free to post nonsense and I'm free to point out - with swearing if I like - that it IS bollocks; that's free speech) and most importantly I'm pro-RATIONALISM, not hitching my own political views to any event and trying to bend the facts round it. Facts people, facts.

Jeez, the only reason I put all those "antis" in the original post was so people couldn't accuse me of being some pro-war neo-con troll. But nothing stops you soldiers of the Cultural Revolution from your mission to stomp out Bad Language and Negativity, does it?

Serena,

Ok there’s big bombs there’s little bombs, there’s one type of explosive, there’s another type of explosive, there’s one type of bomb which can kill thousands, there’s other types of bombs which may only kill a few, there’s bombs which explode upwards, there’s bombs which explode outwards.

Get the picture?

You have spoken with an expert on the pictures of the bus? Expert? Is he a bomb expert ie. plants bombs himself or what? I suggest that this person(s) you spoke to is misleading you about being an “expert”.

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear. This is a phrase usually used by the great British Bobby when represented in characature. Are you a Bobby friend?

"I suspect it refers more to idiots who spend their free time trying to pick holes in glaringly obvious terrorist bomb attacks"

What is glaringly obvious about it. If I were a terrorist I would've bombed something which made a real impact. Something around Bank in the financial area perhaps, why not Bank underground station? It has cross links to many of the underground lines and would have shut down the financial district? Better yet, why not Live8? It was in a public park and the resulting stampede would've done more damage than the explosion. You sound very PRO the media explaination and you seem very ready to dismiss anything you read otherwise as a conspiracy theory.

I was engaging in conjecture regarding one photograph which is in the public domain. I assure you I had more than a quick butchers at it. I have a degree in Fine Art Photography and love to analyze an image with great depth. The Daily Express report that this shot was taken within 30 seconds. This implies that the photograph was a snapshot and represents first hand documentary evidence. I do not deny that this may be the case, I simply question this explaination. The photograph clearly was taken a little later than 30 seconds from the detonation time. The driver has managed to get out of his door and around to the other side of the bus. This is a discrepancy between the report and the picture. I further question whether this is a snapshot or a staged and directed photograph. Have you ever been to Tavistock Square? I have, there is nothing there to photograph as a tourist or whatever. The doubts I have raised over the origin of the photograph should be simple to clear up. The Daily Express has a record of where the image was licensed from and the photographer who took the shot can be interviewed, giving his/her reaction to narrowly escaping injury in the blast and then explaining their calm nerve and swiftien response in taking the photo.

In regards to the blast pattern I was only speaking what I could glean from common sense and my prejudice as to how an explosion would affect a modern double decker bus.
However, as this is nowhere near my area of expertise, I will leave that to a genuine explosives expert and someone who might dabble in physics.

As for the rest of your points they seem a little petty and self contradictory, some people can't be arsed with spell checking and I am one of them (usually). "timewasting conspiracy loons" Whos time are we wasting friend? What's your hurry to blame this event on terrorists and tar all conjecture to the contrary as lunacy? What is your agenda?

Please try to be clear this time... I realise it's hard what with the anger and all.

Methinks thou protesteth too much, pal

"Glaringly obvious terrorist attacks"

Of course they were terrorist attacks. But who are the terrorists? Big al-CIAduh, perhaps?

"yet need to respond to timewasting conspiracy loons"

So why are you wasting your valuable time on here?. And what is this urgent need of yours to respond, eh? What's your crude, breathless involvement on here all about, then? HMMM?

Rest assured we know, arsehole.