I can't believe how few protesters there were today. Everyone must just love this nazi gov and have such great lives. Where the fuck was everyone? This planet is fucked-by fat, rich, white cunts and only 200 people can be bothered to show dissent.
What the fuck will it take to get people on the streets?

What will it take? IMO - probably all out conventional or nuclear/bio-chem war in mainland Europe or on the sub-continent and in the asias/far east. In the Americas........probably growing public dissatisfaction at government and military repression will eventually be enough to get them out.

RANT!!!.........

In this country? On this Island, what will it take to get people out protesting to stop war and death?? Shheeeeeeeeeesh, you got me there. I dunno, probably ONLY ever when the bio-chemical-nuclear and radiological shit hits their own green back yard fans or beloved motor cars or motor bikes, literally(i.e. N.I.M.B.Y.) will the pathetic, ignorant and sick, selfish wan**rs of THIS poxy, pathetic cuntry then want to complain about how bad they have it and how unfair this all is - that THEY are experiencing tough shit.
By then, possibly, and possibly even probably, some sick extreme fundamentalist fuc**r will be about to put a bullet in their tiny of tiniest selfish brains or a big shiny eff off knife up their smug, self-satisfied, British ba**ard arse just like in NAZI Germany in the 1930s and 1940s against jews, commies, travellers, etc, ,when the WORLD went to WAR because of hatred, greed, anger and fear(plus the economy stupid), and people were KILLED, yes thats right, KILLED by weapons and wars........and then, if, more likely WHEN that happens, THEN.........and only then will those fuc**rs want to go out and complain about it..................................Tooooooooooooooooo late, arseholes.Your'e precious tv, ipod and football team just went Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up in a mushroom cloud, along with your wife, hubby, partner, granny and kids. Schucks, eh..

Still, youve got to love them aintcha?

Blairisanevilinsaneman

Understandable frustration and even despair being expressed on here re. low turnouts.

Two things to say:

First, don't be too down-hearted folks! For every hardcore activist taking part there will be many more following events on IndyMedia and saying 'yeah, go for it!' Your impact is greater than you may think. All protest movements start small and get bigger.

Second, bear in mind activists have made certain tactical and political choices which were bound to have this effect. Rejecting StW-style populist mass mobilisation in favour of direct action does inevitably mean accepting smaller numbers, doesn't it?

The argument is that direct action is more effective and involving, not so much A-to-B marching and speeches 'from the platform' - but the trade-off is a smaller activist base.

Either we say okay, fair enough, so be it - or maybe be prepared to compromise a bit on tactics and do some stuff (I hesitate to say it!) a bit more like StW do?

I think the question between mass demos and direct action is definately important but the answer is that both are essential and mutually benificial. We must work on outreach and facilitating mas convergence through flyering, organising coaches, convergence centres etc.... many many people come to a demo or action without the ability to plan effective direct action if they are not local enougth to the site to do the research needed. Those who are able to plan and research tactics need to facilate a mass of those who can't (or simply don't) so they can be effective in creating large blockades leaving the 'hard core' more space to perform their 'daring deeds(?)'. and no we don't need loads of speeches!!