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George Galloway, MP: Building 7 collapse "practically impossible"

G | 23.04.2009 18:02 | Anti-militarism | Iraq | Terror War | World

Edited audio from George Galloways friday and saturday radio show in which he makes it quite clear that he disagrees with the official conspiracy theory surrounding the events of 9/11 and asks people to investigate further.

George Galloway MP had a New Yorker called Tom Kiley on his Talksport radio show friday and saturday night talking about 9/11 and with particular focus on the destruction of the Twin Towers and World Trade Centre Building 7. George Galloway opens the first show  http://www.wearechange.org.uk/galloway17april.mp3 explaining that he still holds Islamic extremists responsible but a recent chance meeting with Tom in New York has planted seeds of doubt in his mind. Soon into the second show  http://www.wearechange.org.uk/galloway18april.mp3 George Galloway admits "it's hard to see scientifically why both of the Towers fell down in the way that they did and it's practically impossible for me to see how Building 7 could have fallen down in the way it did"

Some of the professional organisations mentioned include:

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
 http://ae911truth.org

Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice
 http://stj911.com

Little over a week ago 9 members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice had a peer-reviewed paper 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe' published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal. According to one of the scientists involved Professor Steven E Jones "in short, the paper explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings." It can be read at  http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM.

In 2008, several of these authors published three articles challenging the official reports in US scientific journals, The Open Civil Engineering Journal  http://bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000001/35TOCIEJ.SGM, The Environmentalist  http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10669-008-9182-4, and The Journal of Engineering Mechanics  http://ascelibrary.aip.org/dbt/dbt.jsp?KEY=JENMDT&Volume=134&Issue=10#DISCUSSIONS%20AND%20CLOSURES. Dozens of other papers making similar challenges have been published in the sister publication of the Scholars group, The Journal of 9/11 Studies  http://journalof911studies.com

DISCLAIMER: We Are Change London do not endorse all of Tom Kiley's positions.

G
- e-mail: info@wearechange.org.uk
- Homepage: http://www.wearechange.org.uk

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Yes of course.

23.04.2009 19:51

They are incapable of burying evidence linking Condi and Dick (see todays news) to the authorisation of torture in Gitmo. But they successfully managed to demolish building 7 without a single witness, piece of credible evidence or incriminating document coming to light?

They are not able to plant and then find a single WMD in Iraq. Yet they manage to murder 3,000 of their own citizens without a single whistle blower coming forward or anyone noticing all that thermite being placed in a part of the building which would then be hit by a plane.

We are also expected to believe that the evil masterminds behind the plot decided that the best way to seize control of all that middle eastern oil was to pull off a false flag operation and then point the finger at...erm...Afghanistan? Would it not have been simpler to blame 9/11 at someone with more than just goats and mountain views to steal?

I'm just grateful that fearless visionaries like Galloway, Shayler and Ike are out there showing us the true path to enlightenment. Otherwise we would just have those discredited charlatans like Chomsky, Monbiot and Democracy Now to rely on. We would all be truly at the mercy of those ruthless lizards.

Its true!!!!!!!


Yep, we are!

23.04.2009 20:24

"They are incapable of burying evidence linking Condi and Dick (see todays news) to the authorisation of torture in Gitmo. But they successfully managed to demolish building 7 without a single witness, piece of credible evidence or incriminating document coming to light?"

This is the difference between the event and its effect. 9/11 was the event and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was its effect. To meld these tow things together is to fundametally misunderstand both.

"They are not able to plant and then find a single WMD in Iraq. Yet they manage to murder 3,000 of their own citizens without a single whistle blower coming forward or anyone noticing all that thermite being placed in a part of the building which would then be hit by a plane."

The discovery of WMD in Iraq was never part of the plan.

"We are also expected to believe that the evil masterminds behind the plot decided that the best way to seize control of all that middle eastern oil was to pull off a false flag operation and then point the finger at...erm...Afghanistan? Would it not have been simpler to blame 9/11 at someone with more than just goats and mountain views to steal?"

Nor was the seizing of oil. Afghanistan and Iraq's oil reserves were stipendiary bonuses that would be used to offset the costs of the venture. The wider game was geopolitical and primarily tactical. This is part of a wider and ongoing strategy that has yet to play out fully.

"I'm just grateful that fearless visionaries like Galloway, Shayler and Ike are out there showing us the true path to enlightenment. Otherwise we would just have those discredited charlatans like Chomsky, Monbiot and Democracy Now to rely on. We would all be truly at the mercy of those ruthless lizards."

No lizards, Just Labour/globalist planks who's primary purpose is to misdirect any competent investigation in this area by smothering the subject with a sense of the deranged. As time goes on this will become clear.

Got it?

Bankrupt Nation.


Accompanying articles

23.04.2009 20:44

The following articles were provided by Jim Hoffman  http://wtc7.net  http://911review.com  http://911research.wtc7.net to help people understand the ideas and implications of the new published paper mentioned above titled 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe'

Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust:
Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments
Of High-Tech Metal Incendiaries in Debris From the Twin Towers
by Jim Hoffman
 http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

Wake Up and Smell the Aluminothermic Nanocomposite Explosives
As Documentation of Thermitic Materials in the WTC Twin Towers Grows,
Official Story Backers Ignore, Deny, Evade, and Dissemble
by Jim Hoffman
 http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html

Thermitic Pyrotechnics in the WTC Made Simple
Three Points of Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe that Anyone Can Understand
by Jim Hoffman
 http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/thermitics_made_simple.html

A Hypothetical Blasting Scenario
A Plausible Theory Explaining the Controlled Demolition of the Twin Towers Using Aluminothermic Incendiaries and Explosives with Wireless Ignition Means
by Jim Hoffman
 http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html

Scientific Method


A Tough Choice...

23.04.2009 20:51

It seems you're asking people to make a tough decision between faith in your slogan: "Governments can't keep secrets, governments are incompetent", and forensic evidence and the laws of physics.

Rejecting evidence, such as the un-ignited nano-thermite found in the WTC dust, or the freefall speed of building 7, based on this kind of guess work about how the world really works is hardly rational. Admit along with the rest of us that you don't really know what goes on in agencies such as the CIA, NSA, ISI and so-on. If you do I'd be interested to know how. ;-)

After all, it is far more likely that when we make guesses, about the competence and ability to keep secrets of the accused - we are talking about these agencies, and not the civilian politicians you mentioned before. To say, as many do, that the Bush administration's perceived incompetence would have any bearing on how 9/11 was carried out is like saying that the US could never win a war because Barrack Obama has had no military training. The military fights wars and covert agencies do covert operations. Whoever is warming the chair in the oval office does not change their expertise at either pursuit.

And of course we know that such agencies around the world do have a fair bit of prior at keeping secrets and efficiently carrying out false flag attacks, such as coup in Iran which took Mosadeq out of power, and Operation Gladio in Europe. We know too of Operation Northwoods, a plan signed off by the joint chiefs of staff but rejected by JFK's administration which was just as staged and elaborate and murderous as 9/11.

So your incredulity based on these radically incorrect assumptions about how the world works, really do not trump for me the expansive and ever-growing body of scientific evidence that 9/11 was a false flag operation. Sorry.

Me


9/11: The Facts Speak for Themselves

23.04.2009 20:57

Jon Gold, a grassroots 9/11 truth activist who has done lots of work with the families who lost relatives on 9/11 and the victims of the toxic dust wrote the following article

9/11: The Facts Speak for Themselves:
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/10/411669

Scientific Method


Why Tower 7 would have fallen the way it did.

23.04.2009 22:59

There was a cage of girders in Tower 7. Load bearing steel can be deformed at much lower temperatures than it melts.

When the lowest struts of the cage had warmed up enough, the rest of the cage on top of it initially began descending as one. That's why Tower 7 fell as it did.

Onlyme


@ onlyme

24.04.2009 00:00


"In my opinion WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts" - Hugo Bachmann, Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology -  http://911blogger.com/node/2925

"...it starts from below... They have simply blown away columns. This is controlled demolition. A team of experts did this. This is professional work, without any doubt." - Danny Jowenko, Demolition Expert -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

One of the authors of the recent paper 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe' is Dr Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor with the University of Copenhagen for over 30 years. He recently appeared on Danish television to discuss the paper -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o


Further coverage:

Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say
 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705295677/Traces-of-explosives-in-911-dust-scientists-say.html

Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble
 http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_find_active_superthermite_in_WTC_0404.html


And:

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
 http://ae911truth.org

Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice
 http://stj911.com

Journal of 911 Studies
 http://journalof911studies.com

Scientific Method


@ Scientific Method

24.04.2009 00:40

Experts can be caught out too as on many other issues, and what about all the experts who haven't said anything? But please don't waste any more time on me.

Onlyme


Which experts?

24.04.2009 09:27

The tiny minority of 'experts' wheeled out by the truthers and conspiracy theorists who grab the bits of 'evidence' to fit their thesis while ignoring everyone else? Or the large majority of experts who agree with the real architects and engineers in popular mechanics?

Which experts?


Re. yep we are!

24.04.2009 10:21

Yep, we are!

23.04.2009 20:24
"They are incapable of burying evidence linking Condi and Dick (see todays news) to the authorisation of torture in Gitmo. But they successfully managed to demolish building 7 without a single witness, piece of credible evidence or incriminating document coming to light?"

This is the difference between the event and its effect. 9/11 was the event and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was its effect. To meld these tow things together is to fundametally misunderstand both.

YOU FIRST ANSWER COMPLETELY IGNORES MY FIRST POINT.

"They are not able to plant and then find a single WMD in Iraq. Yet they manage to murder 3,000 of their own citizens without a single whistle blower coming forward or anyone noticing all that thermite being placed in a part of the building which would then be hit by a plane."

The discovery of WMD in Iraq was never part of the plan.

YES OF COURSE THOSE EVIL LIZARDS DECIDED THAT THE BEST WAY TO CONTROL THE WORLD WAS TO ENGINEER A BLOOD BATH FOR US SOLDIERS AND THE IRAQI PEOPLE WHILE GIVING EVERYONE AN EXCUSE TO SAY THAT IT WAS ALL A BIG LIE. NO WITNESSES OR WHISTLE BLOWERS EITHER. PERHAPS THAT POINT WILL GO AWAY IF YOU IGNORE IT FOR LONG ENOUGH?

"We are also expected to believe that the evil masterminds behind the plot decided that the best way to seize control of all that middle eastern oil was to pull off a false flag operation and then point the finger at...erm...Afghanistan? Would it not have been simpler to blame 9/11 at someone with more than just goats and mountain views to steal?"

Nor was the seizing of oil. Afghanistan and Iraq's oil reserves were stipendiary bonuses that would be used to offset the costs of the venture. The wider game was geopolitical and primarily tactical. This is part of a wider and ongoing strategy that has yet to play out fully.

"TACTICAL AND GEOPOLITICLE." IS THAT TRUTHER-SPEAK FOR: 'YES WE DON'T MAKE MUCH SENSE BUT WE HOPE THAT ONE DAY WE WILL AND ITS A GOOD WAY OF AVOIDING THOSE DIFFICULT AND OBVIOUS QUESTIONS IN THE MEANTIME?'

"I'm just grateful that fearless visionaries like Galloway, Shayler and Ike are out there showing us the true path to enlightenment. Otherwise we would just have those discredited charlatans like Chomsky, Monbiot and Democracy Now to rely on. We would all be truly at the mercy of those ruthless lizards."

No lizards, Just Labour/globalist planks who's primary purpose is to misdirect any competent investigation in this area by smothering the subject with a sense of the deranged. As time goes on this will become clear.

"COMPETENT INVESTIGATION"?? THE USA HAS THE WORLDS BIGGEST CULTURE OF LITIGATION. YET NOT A SINGLE LAWYER OUT OF SEVERAL MILLION IS SUING THE GOVERNMENT ON BEHALF OF THE 3,000 FAMILIES. WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOUR "EVIDENCE"?

"AS TIME GOES ON THIS WILL BECOME CLEAR." WELL ITS BEEN OVER SEVEN YEARS AND THE TRUTH MOVEMENT IS VISIBLY DECLINING. THERE IS NO NEW 'EVIDENCE' TO SUPPORT YOUR RIDICULOUS CLAIMS. NOONE REMOTELY CREDIBLE IS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR CRAP CONSPIRACIES. THOUGH IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS WITH A REPUTATION FOR BEING MAD ARE CARRYING YOUR BANNER. (SEARCH 'SHAYLER' AND 'MESSIAH' ON YOUTUBE)

Its true!!!!!!!


@ Its true!!!!!!!

24.04.2009 11:52

"WELL ITS BEEN OVER SEVEN YEARS AND THE TRUTH MOVEMENT IS VISIBLY DECLINING"

Not so actually. According to Time magazine '9/11 Truth is a mainstream political phenomenon'  http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html I'm involved with a very large 9/11 group in London, with over 200 members, and it's growing rapidly. We're also just as active and organised as many other peace and social justice groups except when we post news and details of our events on the London Indymedia site they get hidden.


"THERE IS NO NEW 'EVIDENCE' TO SUPPORT YOUR RIDICULOUS CLAIMS"

Little over a week ago 9 members of Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice had a peer-reviewed paper 'Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe' published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal. According to one of the scientists involved Professor Steven E Jones "in short, the paper explodes the official story that 'no evidence' exists for explosive/pyrotechnic materials in the WTC buildings." In can be read at  http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM.

In 2008, several of these authors published three articles challenging the official reports in US scientific journals, The Open Civil Engineering Journal  http://bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCIEJ/2008/00000002/00000001/35TOCIEJ.SGM, The Environmentalist  http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s10669-008-9182-4, and The Journal of Engineering Mechanics  http://ascelibrary.aip.org/dbt/dbt.jsp?KEY=JENMDT&Volume=134&Issue=10#DISCUSSIONS%20AND%20CLOSURES. Dozens of other papers making similar challenges have been published in the sister publication of the Scholars group, The Journal of 9/11 Studies  http://journalof911studies.com

Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say
 http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705295677/Traces-of-explosives-in-911-dust-scientists-say.html

Study claims 'highly engineered explosive' found in WTC rubble
 http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Scientists_find_active_superthermite_in_WTC_0404.html


"NOONE REMOTELY CREDIBLE IS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR CRAP CONSPIRACIES"

"A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…" - Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career.

"It has long been clear that the Bush-Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited. If this is true, it is not merely the case, as the Downing Street memos show, that the stated reason for attacking Iraq was a lie. It is also the case that the whole 'war on terror' was based on a prior deception." - Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, which, according to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, "are the Intelligence Community’s most authoritative written judgments on national security issues." Responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.

"As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted." - Senator Max Cleland – Former member of the 9/11 Commission, resigned in December 2003. Currently serves on the board of directors of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. U.S. Senator from Georgia 1997 - 2002. Secretary of State of Georgia 1982 - 1996. Administrator of the U.S. Veterans Administration 1977 - 1981. Former Captain, U.S. Army. Awarded Silver Star and Bronze Star for bravery in Viet Nam. Triple amputee from war injuries.

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned. They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations" - Senator Mike Gravel – Former U.S. Senator from Alaska 1969 - 1980. Candidate for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination. Most well known for entering over 4,000 pages of the Pentagon Papers into the U.S. Senate record, thus making public the secret official study that revealed the lies and manipulations of successive U.S. administrations that misled the country into the Vietnam War.

"We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed. We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media." - Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney – Former 6-term Congresswoman from Georgia 1993 - 2002, 2005 - 2006. Member of the House Armed Services Committee and Member of the International Relations Committee. Georgia state legislator 1988 - 1992.

You can find more information about people who do not accept the official 9/11 conspiracy at  http://patriotsquestion911.com

9/11 Truth Activist


when in doubt bring out the lizards

24.04.2009 12:03

As usual a complete inability to deal with hard science means we have to mention lizards to try and divert attention away from the facts. ;-)

@ "Which experts"
Can you please list these 'Architects and Engineers' from Popular Mechancis?

A


Path of least resistance

24.04.2009 12:32

If the US government wanted to fake an attack, why would they go to the bother of covertly rigging the buildings with explosives when the CIA could easily arrange for a few dozen pissed-off Arabs to carry out an actual attack?

Surely the real questions you should ask to find out what the government is hiding are questions like "Why was the Secretary of Defense allowed to get away without any kind of punishment when he oversaw an air defense exercise that left the country unable to distinguish between real and simulated aircraft while it was under attack?"

That's gross negligence, but they're going to get away with it as questioning the official explanation means you're some nut who thinks Bush personally wired up the towers with demolition charges.

MonkeyBot 5000


New guidlines?

24.04.2009 13:01

Since when were the utterings of the leader of a hierarchical political party news on Indymedia? What next? David Cameron on alien abduction? Nick Clegg on the moon landings? Or perhaps Nick Griffin on zionist media control? Now there is a natural ally for the conspiraloons.

Why oh why?


Food for thought

24.04.2009 13:26

Senator Mark Dayton cross examines 911 commission

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nRoGNqiHBY

Rudy Giuliani Interview with Peter Jennings (ABC) : "We were operating out of there when we were told the World trade Center was gonna collapse"

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vCg8Fp8aw8

WeAreChange Confronts Giuliani on 9/11 Collapse Lies

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n7uJnKGTGg

Bill Clinton says 9/11 Truthers are idiots

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7-XfE7KcU

clueless idiot


Nick Griffin? When in doubt bring out the nazis

24.04.2009 14:10

'If the US government wanted to fake an attack, why would they go to the bother of covertly rigging the buildings with explosives when the CIA could easily arrange for a few dozen pissed-off Arabs to carry out an actual attack?'

Man beloved in the village lies prostrate on the ground, blood pouring from an obvious gunshot wound to the head.. An international team of nine forensics experts who've published hundreds of solid post mortem reports between them concur, staking their reputations on it. They and hundreds of others go public risking reprisal. Their findings go through the anonymous peer review process and are published.

Man from the village says. 'Never mind that report. They;re just conspiraloons. He can't have been shot. It woulda been too difficult to get a gun. He'd risk having it traced back to him. I reckon it's what the mayor and the geezers he hired says - someone wiv a sovereign ring (one of those bad guys from that place we've been dying to invade) just punched right fru his skull Much easier it woulda been!

reductio ad nazium


911 atrocity was 21st Century televisual scam

24.04.2009 19:29

Definitive exposure of the televisual/media scamerama perpetrated on 911. See Simon Shack's authoritative research on the images which sold the scam and almost fooled the world.

September Clues

Begins here -

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXda5Kn2LAM

and for the demolition, see here

 http://911u.org/Physics/WTCenergySurplus.html

good luck

FITwatcher general


@ FITwatcher general

24.04.2009 20:44


In my humble opinion i believe you are referencing material that abuses logic and language to mislead and deceive others about the state of 9/11 research.


September Clues

 http://truthaction.org/debunkingseptemberclues.pdf


Nukes at the World Trade Center

 http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/a/Hard-Evidence-Rebudiates-the-Hypothesis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf


More on this:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

The 9/11 B. S. Movement
Blatant Insanity = Intentional DIS-information
 http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/07/911-b-s-movement.html

How to Destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awy8cmcuBlk

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556

Arabesque: 9/11 Truth
A Blog Devoted to Discussing 9/11 News, Research, and Disinformation
 http://arabesque911.blogspot.com

9/11 Truth Activist


Project Censored on 9-11

25.04.2009 00:24

New article from Project censored on 9-11 and media myth-making by

–Mickey S. Huff is an Associate Professor of History and Critical Reasoning at Diablo Valley College, an Adjunct Lecturer in Sociology at Sonoma State University, and Associate Director of the Media Freedom Foundation and Project Censored. He teaches courses in recent US History, History of US media, Post 9/11 Propaganda Studies, and
Sociology of Media and Censorship. He blogs at  http://mythinfo.blogspot.com and  http://dailycensored.com.

and

–Paul W. Rea, Ph.D., a broad-spectrum humanities professor, has taught classes exploring political issues. These include “Politics of the Nuclear Age” and “Science, Technology, and Human Values” at St. Mary’s College in California. In 2004, he published Still Seeking the Truth About 9/11, and is now completing a much-expanded book,
Mounting Evidence: Why We Need a Serious Investigation of 9/11.

here
 http://www.projectcensored.org/articles/story/deconstructing-deceit/

pdf download here

 http://www.projectcensored.org/assets-managed/pdf/DeconstructingDeceitOnlineEd.pdf.


2%Human


Think it through

25.04.2009 03:17

Any activist who looks at what went on will be struck by the ridiculously crap security of the people who hijacked the planes. We usually manage to be a lot tighter than they were over a wee blockade or lock-on.

SO, there are 3 possibilities:

1. State agents (never mind exact identity or connections) instigated the attack through some unknown back-channels and security didn't have to be any good because the operation was always going to be allowed to run.

2. Whilst not initiating it, state intelligence service(s) got wind of the operation due to its crap security, but saw it as having exploitable political advantages and allowed it to run.

3. Neither of the above. The state intelligence services were the bureaucratic morass of disjointed cock-ups on legs anything run by a government always is. Sure, reports were filed of very suspicious activity, some of it passed on by people not known to be connected to state mechanisms. But it got buried, not linked up, not analysed, just a few amongst thousands of such apparently unrelated reports. In short, it was Yorkshire Ripperised. The assumption that computers have eliminated the too-much-paper-not-enough-analysis muddle which allowed the murders in West Yorkshire to continue for years is true only up to a point. More true of an investigation like that, where everyone knew what they were looking for in the haystack, than of one which is generalised, usually focused on individual people or small groups, and nobody knows exactly what they're looking for.

AND, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT

1. Is not credible. Even if the back-channels existed (which is doubtful), they're unlikely to have been manipulable in that way.

2. Is credible on paper, but not as things worked out. If state intelligence services knew about the operation and were monitoring it, but not intervening, there would have come a point where the allegedly glorious martyrs' security lapses became so naff that the spooks would conclude they could no longer pretend not to have known and would have to intervene to cover their arses.

3. Being really the only really credible explanation, it leaves a whole lot more arse to be covered. Hence all manner of panicky, sometimes contradictory, lies, spin and cover-up. Why do troofers always reckon that anyone doubting their guff must have swallowed state propaganda and lies or be acting in the interest of the state? I don't believe a word the bastards say, but the troofers' dogged bi-polarity is astonishing. If I picket McDonalds it doesn't mean I'm in favour of Burger King. I used to have to explain that to kids, but it's tedious when adults apparently can't grasp the equivalent point.

Tell you what, if I was a senior US intelligence official in an arse-covering management position, I'd find a blatantly barmy "9/11 Truth Movement" very handy indeed. Not saying they started it -that would be just another daft conspiracy theory- but it's bound to be penetrated.

Two minor points:

1. "Afghanistan's oil reserves"??

2. Nothing "false flag" at all about the operation which removed Mosadeq from power in Iran. The US simply backed the right-wing opposition to a fairly popular regime with the resources it needed to pull off a coup and install the Shah. As in many other places. It was up front, not "false flag".

Stroppyoldgit


You need to look at all the evidence before theorising

25.04.2009 11:21

@ SOG

You've just outlined MIHOP, LIHOP, and the cockup theory of history. You've missed the "inocense theory" where our leaders are suposedly just 'stupid'.
You favour the cockup theory, History is a series of cockups where human agency acts in a seemingly random way.
Which is typical of anyone who lacks the imagination to see things from the perspective of the ruling class and the globalist agenda the ruling class have. You need to do what Michael Parenti describes as a 'radical analysis' and see that the ruling class act exclusively in their own interest to maintain their position of power. Remember they are scared of us because we're more numerous and in reality hold the power, without us they have no power.

Simply the fact that, for example WTC 1's top block fell with a constant acceleration through the path of most resistance, shows that these events were planned controlled demolitions. Personally I can't live with too much cognitive dissonance, and thinking that 9-11 was some huge cock-up that just happened to favour the ruling classes agenda sets up so much cognitive dissonance when the evidence is scrutinised that I'm forced to change my world view. 9-11 was a massive psychological operation, the intention was to create fear in the population so that, via Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs the people are prepared to give up freedoms for the perception of safety. Look around and listen to the constant memes coming from the apparatus of the ruling class - the media frenzy over the so called Easter Bomb plot. Notice the constantly repeating memes of security/safety v. freedom. This is not an accident its a plan.

Let's look at a recent example. the kettling by the police of a group of demonstrators at the G20 next to the only bank that hadn't been boarded up. This could be seen as a series of 'cockups'.
The police just happened to choose that location, black blok just happened to be in the group of demonstrators, the bank just happened not to board up their building, Sky News the BBC and an army of photographers just happened to be right on the scene to get the shots of the 'violence' that just happened to have been 'predicted' in the media and by the police in the days leading up to G20.

For me there are just too many coincidences, the small number of demonstrators were manipulated to
act in that predictable and violent way. The police got what they wanted justification for their disproportionate and brutal operation.

Events like 9-11 are nothing new and has all the hallmarks of an 'Intelligence' operation run by the ruling class seen throughout human history, its naive to think otherwise.

9-11 was a false flag, History is not just a random series of cockups.

2%Human


dear activist

25.04.2009 13:40

you introduce your unasked-for opinion as 'humble'. As it turns out it's not so humble after all. In fact you immediately engage on a full frontal assault on my integrity on the strength of something you 'believe'.


Now..
It is true that the September Clues exposure of the scam has ruffled feathers in all sorts of camps. Alarm, panic, indignation and so on have arisen.
However, the documentary deals exclusively with facts, principally that the only remaining 'evidence' of the atrocity are the half dozen or so videos aired on the day, and which purport to show aircraft crashing into the towers.
Do remember that not one single piece of ANY of the four aircraft alleged to be involved has ever been found or produced, and shown conclusively to be genuine.
No trace of any passenger or their baggage remained - except of course one pristine passport showing an alleged hi-jackers ID.
It has been shown in the September Clues documentary that all of those videos aired by the US media companies are fakes, and poor ones at that.

I would prefer that the readers here watch the short film and judge for themselves.

The link, once again.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXda5Kn2LAM

and in this one you can also read further about Professor Jones and his back story:

 http://911u.org/Physics/WTCenergySurplus.html

good luck

FITwatcher general


Conspiracy vs. Coincidence

27.04.2009 03:29

"Among Americans, it is an article of faith that there are no conspiracies in American public life -- only coincidences." - Gore Vidal

It seems that there are Brits who hold this this view, too.

California Dreaming


A picture is worth years of waffle?

27.04.2009 11:41


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