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Trolls trying to undermine Smash EDO

Smashy | 07.05.2012 10:38 | Smash EDO | Afghanistan | Anti-militarism | Palestine | South Coast

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A post was made on Indymedia this morning purporting to come from Smash EDO attempting to undermine our campaign by implying we are racists. This was a fake post written by a troll and is part of a pattern of posts attempting to undermine the campaign.

Don't believe them...

Smashy

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Truth hard to take ?

07.05.2012 10:46

Content has been removed

Troll

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Well done Smash EDO

07.05.2012 10:54

removed content which is racist and a troll designed to undermine the campaign

congratulator

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Truth not only hard to take but also censored at Indymedia UK

07.05.2012 10:57

lies removed

troll

There will always be Trolls

07.05.2012 11:11

Trolls come and go but they rarely fool most people. They might fool a few idiots but they don't matter.

G

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Trolls trying to undermine Smash EDO....

07.05.2012 11:32

racist troll removed

troll

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Which Indymedia mod is both hiding these posts and editing them ?

07.05.2012 12:33

No details on the Moderation list of this editing or of numerous hides over the past week.

Will the mod responsible please identify them self.

Thanks.

JimDog

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Erm JimDog

07.05.2012 12:41

Write to the moderation list if you want accountability.

IMCista

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@ IMCista re Moderation List

07.05.2012 13:41

I do but regretfully my emails are auto blocked requiring the list administrator to release them which he never does. Now as you have quite clearly read my email will you please respond ?

Which mod is both hiding and editing posts without notification to the Moderation list ?

JimDog

365° awareness required

07.05.2012 13:56

The far right have succesfully infiltrated a small section of the the uk animal rights movement aided by a handful of naive mouthy idiots on facebook who have welcomed these scum with open arms and continue to do so.

Don't let the same thing happen here, stay safe.

snitch hunter

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JimDog

07.05.2012 14:02

It seems there is a technical problem with the list.

So you'll have to wait.

IMCista

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@ IMCista

07.05.2012 15:03

A technical problem ?

How very convenient, nothing stopping you publishing the information here though is there ?

Who is hiding, deleting and editing posts & comments in a clear breach of the agreed Editorial Guidelines ?

I look forward to your reply.

JimDog

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Either JimDog is a liar or someone else is pretending to be JimDog

07.05.2012 15:08

All emails have now been let through.

There was no email from JimDog

reports of hiddens can therefore be read on the list.

Trolls will not be allowed to project their own racism onto campaigns.

That will be all

IMCista

re 365 degree awareness

07.05.2012 15:10

there is no attempt at infiltration by the far right in this instance. In fact the far right (English Defence League, Casuals United, March for England just look at  http://www.facebook.com/pages/English-Defence-League-The-Mighty-Brighton-Infidels/145298232155949) are making constant threats against us. This is a campaign of trolling by the far right aimed at undermining us.

Smashy

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Amazing coincidence

07.05.2012 15:19

Well what do you know the 'list' suddenly magically fixes itself and it updates although amazingly not with my emails (funny that) plus it only lists the hides and not the deletes and editing.




Was there a consensus to selectively edit posts and comments that pointed out a problem with antisemitism in the Brighton based Smash EDO campaign that even those of us "up North" are aware of, when was this decision made and on what criteria ?

Have other posts been edited and by whom ?

Can we assume that freethepeeps as the person doing the hiding is the same person doing the editing and did he have agreement from the collective to take this very serious act ?

JimDog

@smashy

07.05.2012 15:27

Thanks for the link. Facebook has a lot to answer for. Good luck with countering these bastards.

snitch hunter

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Re - re 365 degree awareness

07.05.2012 15:40

" This is a campaign of trolling by the far right aimed at undermining us."

The truth is such an inconvenience sometimes isn't it Smashy ?

Paulie

hang on a minute

07.05.2012 17:14

Trolling is a non-violent disruptive and peaceful form of protest.
I don't see the issue - if someone disagrees with SmashEDO then surely it is their right to be able to protest against it?

Otherwise we arnt living in a free country where all protests should be tolerated.

In fairness

Indymedia Editorial guidelines

07.05.2012 17:26

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/editorial.html

imcista

@hang on

07.05.2012 17:33

The issue is, external insider trolling is worse than external insider trading.

Troll Hunter

In fairness?

07.05.2012 17:37

"Trolling is a non-violent disruptive and peaceful form of protest."

Spreading absolute falsehoods on the internet to damage campaigns and activists is unacceptable and in contravention of the guidelines for the site. In particular:

-Inaccurate: posts that are inaccurate or misleading.

-Disruptive: Contributions by individuals who habitually publish above mentioned discouraged content. Posts where topical or regional selections disrupts the utility of the sub pages (ie spamming regional and topic selections).

"I don't see the issue - if someone disagrees with SmashEDO then surely it is their right to be able to protest against it?"

If all they are capable of doing is spreading malicious falsehoods, then there is an issue.

If you want to continue this discussion then email the list  moderation@lists.indymedia.org.uk

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I think not

07.05.2012 19:07

"If you want to continue this discussion then email the list"

Where you will be be blocked, your email details harvested along with your IP address and you will be the recipient of multiple spamming and online attacks

ex IMCer

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more shite

07.05.2012 20:22

let em eat yellowcake

fukem

no body needs to ask permission to troll

07.05.2012 22:13

That's like asking permission to protest....

So there are editorial guidelines banning it?
Presumably there are guidelines preventing a noise demo.
Stop being sheep. You don't need to ask the mods permission to troll

alox

Indymedia: the key to success.

08.05.2012 01:21

"Presumably there are guidelines preventing a noise demo.
Stop being sheep. You don't need to ask the mods permission to troll"

Trolls don't go out onto the streets. They don't have the confidence.

As far as trolling the Indymedia newswire is concerned its generally ineffective anyway. The people who read this site already know who they are and know what their causes are about. They aren't the type of people to be dissuaded by junk they read on the internet, especially when all it amounts to is gobbing off for the sake of it.

I'm am a long-time user of IMC and just take trolling for what it is, juvenile stupidity from those who genuinely don't know any better.

I don't consider it to be a form of protest.

I don't think it matters in the comments. Its when articles appear that are deliberate misinformation that it becomes nefarious. That's just poor quality and disruptive.

But whatever it is, the mods look like they are finally on top of it. Trolling is dealt with almost as soon as it appears and that's good. IMCUK is looking good at the moment.

Now, all we need is compelling in depth articles on animal rights, erosion of free spaces, erosion of the right to protest, the role of the MSM, austerity and its imminent collapse, policing, public service funding, the history and heritage of anarchism, the failure of the two party system, the role of democracy in wartime, genuine humanitarian struggle, the state of trans-atlanticism and the EU, the legitimacy of globalisation, the struggle for energy resources, war, conflict and settlement, autonomy then now and in the future, the role of NVDA, the legitimacy of political state violence, the WTO, the IMF, the rise and fall of nationalism, the failure to count war dead in capitalist societies, oil and the Persian gulf, the role of the ICC, justice and international law, corruption and currency speculation, foreign exchange trading and leverage: the UK and US, capital costs and immigration, misinformation and the media, hegemony and political discourse, privacy and centralised policing, Facebook and the pentagon, Google and the DNS, corporate spying as automated process, conspiracy theory and state disruption, biosphere pollution, food production and seed extinction, genetic capitalism and insect extinction etc etc.

These are all the subjects that trolling stops you writing and thinking about. Indymedia is an established site that can guarantee high search engine placements with any story on any subject.

Imagine what you could achieve if you actually started writing instead if pissing your life away on listening to trolls?

I guarantee that when you die, you'll regret that.

Wedlock.

Stupid one. Somebody would throw money to the trolls.

08.05.2012 10:45

There is a theory that it is already happening, for otherwise they would be long gone.

Hammer

"....otherwise they would be long gone."

08.05.2012 17:24

Why?

A troll

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The shelf life of a troll

13.05.2012 11:20

An emotive issue yes, but trolling is in itself irrelevant.

If anything, it is a back handed compliment ... it says that the issues are to well grounded in truth and justice to make in-roads.

As long as such trolling that there is, is exposed in a timely and calm manner, then no harm is done - it smacks of desperation and wreaks of ignorance.

Irritant

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