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Straight Talk on Gaza

Niko Weber | 18.11.2012 09:25 | University Occupations for Gaza | Anti-militarism | Repression | Terror War | Cambridge

Palestine's democratically elected government is targeted. West Bank coup d'etat authority has no legitimacy. Abbas' term as president expired in January 2009. Israel rigged his 2005 election. What's ongoing is illegal aggressive war. Israeli provocations caused it. Israel's entire history reflects belligerence. It lives by the sword. It's a modern-day Sparta. Operation Pillar of Cloud was planned months ago. All military campaigns take many weeks or months of planning. Attacking Gaza coincides with Israel's January elections.


Netanyahu hopes war will ensure his reelection. On January 22 he'll know. Also at issue is subverting Palestine's November 29 UN non-member observer status bid. Israel and Washington are going all out to sabotage it. As of now it looks certain.

More on what's ongoing below, what's at stake, and why it matters.

Hundreds of global protests condemn Israel's naked aggression. Many thousands across the Middle East, Europe, North America, and elsewhere denounce Israel's cold-blooded premeditated murder.

Innocent civilians are being slaughtered and injured. Hundreds of sorties caused widespread destruction. Mostly non-military sites were targeted. ....... by Stephen Lendman ....... M O R E:  http://sjlendman.blogspot.de/2012/11/straight-talk-on-gaza.html
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Gaza Bombing Demo 16th November 2012:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2012/11/502930.html

Niko Weber

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O dear

18.11.2012 10:51

O dear the Jew haters of Indymedia are in a tissy aren't they ?

Hamas launches rockets at schools hospitals and public buildings and what do you know Israel responds, not really surprising is it. Meanwhile in the Middle East the revolutions in Bharain, Syria and Iran are all ignored because there are no Jews to criticise.

Your bigotry is as pathetic as it is irrelevant

Laughing


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What about the attacks against israel?

18.11.2012 13:13

The Israel military is faced with two choices; (1) Allow Hamas to continue to pound Israel with rockets; or (2) Knock out the rocket sites and infrastructure that is being used to target Israel.
It seems the supporters of Palestine don't consider the Israel's that are being attacked by rockets as having the same rights as Palestinians.

james


one sided account

18.11.2012 13:45

As usual when ever there is a report of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the pro-Palestinians fail to mention the attacks against Israel, especially the rocket attacks where hundreds have landed in Israel, causing seceral deaths and around 50 wounded. These are not weapons of resistance, or defence. They are offensive weapons designed to inflict casualities against civilians. They contravene international law and their use are a warcrime.

james


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Why oh why?

18.11.2012 14:09

"As usual when ever there is a report of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the pro-Palestinians fail to mention the attacks against Israel, especially the rocket attacks where hundreds have landed in Israel, causing seceral deaths and around 50 wounded. These are not weapons of resistance, or defence. They are offensive weapons designed to inflict casualities against civilians. They contravene international law and their use are a warcrime."

You're a fine one to be talking about what "usual" means.

According to you, "usual" means anything that includes stealing, thievery, colonisation, murder, ehnic cleansing, violence, psychopathy and anything else that gets you another inch of Palestine.

For us, "usual" is anything that doesn't include you.

So the question you should be asking yourself is this...

Why am I here? These people at IMC are immune to Hasbara!

anonymous


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get a grip

18.11.2012 16:12

i dont even know what hasbara is, is that the guys who make the board games?

anyway, what i do know is 1000s of rockets have been fired from gaza into israel and that israel has shown enormous restraint in not firing back until now.

if you fire rockets at a country - don't complain when the fire back.
This is really basic stuff. It isn't 'rocket science'

not battleships


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IDF = Imbecilic Doofus Faction

18.11.2012 18:03

"i dont even know what hasbara is, is that the guys who make the board games?

anyway, what i do know is 1000s of rockets have been fired from gaza into israel and that israel has shown enormous restraint in not firing back until now.

if you fire rockets at a country - don't complain when the fire back.
This is really basic stuff. It isn't 'rocket science'"



Of course you don't know what Hasbara is dear, you just keep telling yourself that.

I suppose Indymedia must really really get on the IDF's nerves. All that money they spend on paying trolls to spread the official military line on all those websites around the world and it all comes to nothing because Indymedia buggers the whole plan up.

All it takes is for somebody to call up a search in one of the search engines and bingo, distortions wrecked beyond recovery.

What a complete waste of money!!

I hope you yanks are watching this...its your money the Republican Zionist congressman are chucking down the drain here.

The IDF are burning your money like its confetti, and for absolutely no gain whatsoever!!!

anonymous


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Points make prizes.

18.11.2012 18:17

"anyway, what i do know is 1000s of rockets have been fired from gaza into israel and that israel has shown enormous restraint in not firing back until now."

OK, you got about 3% of the truth down which is a good start...but you need to go a bit further for some extra points.

Let me give you a head start...

Settlement activity, targeted assassinations, forcing Palestinains out of their homes at gunpoint to make way for Jews and lots and lots of other things going back to the 1920's...all done by the poor Zionists during their lunch breaks from the 1000s of rockets which you claim have been fired at them over the years causing the thousands and thousands of casualties in t...oh wait, let me check about that one!!!

When you are done, come back and we'll see how many points you got.

And remember...if you do well and get lots of points, teacher will stick them up on the wall so your parents can see what a good little Zionist you have been this term.

If you get more than the other kids...you get a fried Palestinian baby to eat!

Shimon Peres. (yeah, thats right...its fucking me)


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Money well spent

18.11.2012 18:28


Will they ever learn?

Disclaimer: The money I earn from posting this one single comment will buy me a top of the range sports car.

Irony


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unilateral response

18.11.2012 18:57

>Settlement activity, targeted assassinations, forcing Palestinains out of their homes at gunpoint to make way for Jews and lots and lots of other things going back to the 1920's...

Well, guess what.... we were at war with Germany 20 years after that. And they used to fire rockets at us called the V1 and V2. Yet somehow we've managed to get on since then.

>> all done by the poor Zionists during their lunch breaks from the 1000s of rockets which you claim have been fired at them over the years causing the thousands and thousands of casualties in t...oh wait, let me check about that one!!!

Looks like incompetence wasn't a result of a lack of effort though ;)
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Maybe the lack of casualties numbers that seems to upset you so much is a result of good shelters / good detection and evacuation drills and the Iron-Dome defence system. Give credit where it is due. I doubt Gaza can claim any brownie points for keeping Israel's casualty number down - they are the ones firing the rockets after all.

duck and cover


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18.11.2012 19:21

Three children from the al-Samouni family, IDF killings 2009.
Three children from the al-Samouni family, IDF killings 2009.

IDF soldiers carrying out ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
IDF soldiers carrying out ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

"Will they ever learn?"

Not a great effort on your part I'm afraid so I will help you out.

The first photograph is of three children of the al-Samouni family who were victims of the last atrocity commited by Israel in Gaza in 2008-9. This was the result of amateur IDF soldiers being allowed to run riot across the town. On January 4th 2009, the al-Samouni family were forced out of their home at gunpoint and forced to go to another dwelling a short distance away from their home. One day later, and knowing that the building had people in it, the soldiers began to demolish the house. A short while later, even after being alerted to the fact that the building had the family inside, the soldiers began to shoot at the house. A short while later, the soldiers called in the Israeli Air Force and the house was straifed and bomber from the air.

In total, 49 members of the al-Samouni family died during the atrocity. The photograph above depicts three of the al-Samouni children at a morgue.

The usual formalities were promised from the United Nations, the US and UK and a staged investigation was conducted by the IDF. In Israel, the government is under military control and has little or no influence over the decisions undertaken by the military. This is largely due to almost ALL Israeli MP's being former members of various Israeli terror squads or IDF.

The investigation of course found that the soldiers acted entirely properly. This despite the brigade commander admitting that he had purposefully prohibited all medical personel from entering the area. This order stood for three days which "ensured" the deaths of the children along with the other victims which the IDF had been shooting.



The second photograph is a picture of IDF soldiers caught carrying out their long-standing primary orders...that is to seize by any means possible land, dwellings, property and other items which can be used to aid Israeli settlers in colonising Palestinian territory. Here in this picture they are standing on the beds of a Palestinian family who's dwelling they have just seized at gunpoint. Of course, Israeli's will never admit to this because they are specifically instructed never to admit to the existance of primary orders. Instead, low level "grunts" encourage populist narratives to be followed. This populism is heavily reliant on things like name-calling, face-spitting, racism, celebrations of violence, nationalism and other "psychopathia". They kind of thing you expect from children and the retarded.

In the current atrocity, the usual narrative of "they started it first" is being used once again by the IDF. In the coming days and weeks, the IDF will do everything they can to get into Gaza in order to carry out similar atrocities to the one you see depicted in the first picture. They don't do this because they enjoy it, or because they are "weirdo's"...they do it because they have been ordered to do it.

This is the truth of the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

This is the truth that is reponsible for not only the atrocities carried out against the civilian population of Gaza, but also the reason why so much of our media here in the west is swarmed over by comments which appear to be the work of fanatics, extremists and the mad. The IDF and their loyalists are busy commiting war crimes in Gaza, and are busy destroying our hard won rights to freedom of speech here in our own countries.

This is apartheid.

anonymous


jees!

18.11.2012 19:57

If I and my family had to put up with the crap above, you Israeli's wouldn't be able to breathe for rockets.

Binbag Yahoo.


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rockets are new skool

18.11.2012 20:25

> If I and my family had to put up with the crap above, you Israeli's wouldn't be able to breathe for rockets.

We'll it did happen after Palestine did loads of suicide bombings on Israel - killing and maiming lots of innocent people in the process. I'm surprised Israel were able to breathe for suicide bombings at one point

old skool


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Palestinian suicide bomber attacks Jerusalem

18.11.2012 20:27

Palestinian suicide bomber attacks Jerusalem
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/mar/27/israel2

2001


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