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London "Bombers" set up?

an American | 15.07.2005 17:04 | Analysis | London

A man with an 8 month old baby. A teacher of disabled children. Nobody who knows them ever would have believed they'd do such a thing. Who benefits?

A senior security source, who has viewed the CCTV footage, said: “They were chatting. You would think they were going on a hiking holiday.”
 http://breaking.tcm.ie/2005/07/13/story211419.html

"Police are still trying to figure out why some of the bombers appeared to be carrying pieces of identification not just of themselves but of at least some of their three accomplices."
(Rather than come to the obvious conclusion of documents deliberatly planted to frame someone for the crimes, the police have come up with this bizarre theory that the bombers just sort of decided to carry each others' credit cards!)
 http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2005/07/14/bombing_suspects_identities_shock_leeds/?page=2

The 7/7 London Bombings: How to Set Up a Patsy
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/london_exercise_video.html
"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"

Does anyone really believe this horseshit?
 http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20340

an American

Comments

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Disaster Envy

15.07.2005 20:06


>> The 7/7 London Bombings:

Why must allusions to 11/9 (a.k.a. 9/11) be made[1]? It is bad enough that the American nomenclature of dating is used to refer to an event which affected the globe. My disaster was as bad as your disaster. My disaster requires more minutes in silence than your disaster. I am going to remain schtum for the month of November.


[1] Yes, I know this pillock blames the space aliens for both 7 July 2005 and 11 September 1973... no, that *was* the space aliens... 2001.

Alec


Interesting ...

15.07.2005 20:37

Um ... I posted these same links, but with many more included, and they were here last night, and gone today. Could the Administrators please tell me what happened?

Thnx.

Not American


who says it was the British state?

15.07.2005 20:45

Course not. It was the zionists with an israeli mini nuke.

joe vialls


Zionists? No way?

15.07.2005 20:46

so yopu think the KGB is out of action, heh?

vladimir


I say, old boy

15.07.2005 20:47

give MI5 dome credit for this!

M


So Mr Bond

15.07.2005 20:48

you failed in your attempt to stop us. Next time we will not be so restrained.

SPECTRE


(Can't be bothered with a title)

15.07.2005 22:03

Posting those links is not something I would admit to.

>>  http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20340

>> Does Anyone Really Believe This Horseshit?

Yes.

>> Four young men, maybe five though one chap remains a secret at present

A sly insinuation there; completely bonkers, of course. Hey ~Joe Bloggs~, we know where you are and plan to be at such_and_such location with two dozen armed-police in 24 hours.

>> Before you sign onto the government's official story, read a recent article by Paul Joseph Watson,

A man who talks freely about the 'The Ultimate Hegelian Dialectic', and ain't Umberto Eco or David Madsen. He should be avoided.

>> simply decided to blow themselves up in support of a cause none of them had ever previously mentioned to their families, friends or anyone who knew them

Of course they would have blinkin' well done so! "Iraq? Hasib, I didn't think you were interested in that!"

>> Originally published on www.PrisonPlanet.com

Ah-ha! Oh, why do I even bother.

Alec


And another thing

15.07.2005 22:06

>> four Arabs

>> additional Arabs

>> four Arabs

>> Arabs

>> Arabs

Arabs? Are all brown-skinned men 'Arabs' to you?

Alec


Yes, we've been through this kind of terrible political deception

15.07.2005 22:41

We've been through this kind of terrible political deception in the US after 9/11, and it really is sad to many people in the UK falling for it now. It always takes time to unravel the historical truth about major propaganda events...consider the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" which provided the pretext for an official U.S. War in Vietnam, it was a total government deception, and the whole U.S. press gullibly fell for it!

The "anti-terrorism exercises" scheduled for the same times and places as actual explosions, and subway evacuations and other signs of forknowledge BEFORE the first explosion are clearly critical leads here. And some patsies seem to have been framed with conveniently planted evidence. International explosive experts identified military high explosives that childcare workers in Leeds don't have access to, but now that embarassing detail has mysteriously vanished from the official story. The demonic Egyptian chemist turned out to do research related to food and the environment, not sophisticated military explosives. There's obviously a whole lot of cover-up and distraction going on here. And as on 9/11, officials are using "controlled explosions" to destroy evidence

It will take patient, co-operative research to unravel this, BUT THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OUT OF THE POLITICAL TRAP WHICH HAS BEEN SET.

A Friend Across the Waters
mail e-mail: davidk@oz-online.net


An interesting tidbit from the Guardian

15.07.2005 23:28

"Counter-terrorist officials said last night that the investigation was starting to enter the covert "intelligence phase" which, by definition, would be much less visible than the events of recent days. The overt "operational phase" was running down, they said, adding that it was unlikely there would be any arrests in the near future."
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1529229,00.html

This is indeed sadly familiar. They "authorities" haven't the evidence to convict anyone they're pointing their finger at in an open court of law, so they go back to their more comfortable covert mode. Just send some British Muslim guys off to Guantanamo with no formal charges, and call it a job well done. In the US we had a "Patriot Act" to make sure the Government would never have to prove their story or justify their actions.

If you want to keep your democracy, you better be concerned about what's really going on behind this!

The Centre for Research on Globalization has some interesting research on the London Bombings:  http://www.globalresearch.ca/




A friend accross the waters
mail e-mail: davidk@oz-online.net


FALSE FLAG OVER LONDON

15.07.2005 23:44

Alec, do you actually have anything to say?

Since it was downsized, here's the full posting again. I'd sure love to know where the original disappeared to!


False flag over London

By John Leonard
Online Journal Contributing Writer

July 8, 2005—Yesterday we saw a classic false flag attack in London, organized by western secret services to distract attention from the deepening political troubles of Bush and Blair, and perhaps even to create the pretext for war on Iran. Of course, Bush and his poll ratings have been sinking under scandals and rumblings of impeachment. Blair too has been badly hurt by the Downing Street memo.
 http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/070805Leon ard/070805leonard.html

Police hunt 'mercenary' terror gang recruited by al-Qa'ida
 http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2981 05.ece

I guess the culprits identified by eyewitnesses were not the right colour to fit the prevailing Conspiracy Theory put forth by the LIARS and killers anxious to use these attacks as an excuse for further aggression.

Here's an antidote to the sanctimonious, hypocritical statements made by the LIARS and killers.

Lest We Forget; These Were Blair's Bombs
By John Pilger
 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/071005X.shtml

The warning to Netanyahu blew the cover off the London bombings. Now, Mr, Cohen tries to get the frame-up pointed back in the intended direction again.

Note that his article is based upon Myth, not fact, such as the fake "bin Laden tapes", strategically released to help Bush.

It is interesting to note who still supports this Neo-Fascist Aggression, and this agenda of death. In doing so, people such as this authour hang themselves, and the people they work for.

Face up to the truth
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/comment/s tory/0,16141,1525261,00.html

Blair rejects calls for probe into bombings
By James Blitz, Political Editor, and Jimmy Burns
Published: July 10 2005 20:55 | Last updated: July 10 2005 20:55

London attacksTony Blair will on Monday reject Conservative demands for a government inquiry into last week's London bomb attacks, insisting such a move would distract from the task of catching the perpetrators.

As police and security services on Sunday continued searching for the bombers - thought to be Islamist terrorists - Downing Street said the prime minister believed an inquiry now into the outrage which killed at least 49 people would be a "ludicrous diversion."

Instead, in a statement to the Commons on Monday following last week's Group of Eight summit, Mr Blair is expected to focus on the direction the government must take to ensure future terrorism is defeated.

In particular, the prime minister believes there must be far greater co-operation among European Union governments in the fight against terrorism - a view Charles Clarke, the home secretary, is expected to drive home at an emergency meeting of EU interior ministers this week.

He is expected to tell his counterparts governments must ensure operators keep data on telephone and internet exchanges for up to a year.

He also indicated on Sunday that he would consider granting further "control orders" if he thought they were necessary.

Mr Clarke said he was "very optimistic indeed" that last Thursday's bombers would be tracked down. But he feared further attacks could take place until that happened. "That is why the number one priority has to be the catching of the perpetrators."

Police continued to sift through the debris from Thursday's four explosions - three in the London Underground and one on a bus - and to examine witness accounts and intelligence as part of their hunt for the bombers.

But police chiefs indicated that had yet to establish the identity or the whereabouts of the terrorists they suspect belong to an extremist Islamist cell in sympathy with the aims of Al-Qaeda.

Tension several cities remained high over the weekend. Police said they had arrested, under prevention of terrorism laws, three British nationals on an inward flight at Heathrow early on Sunday but insisted that any link with last Thursday's bombings was speculative. The three were expected to be released later on Sunday night, according to police sources.

But the arrests, the dozens of bomb alerts in the English capital and an evacuation in the Birmingam city centre over the weekend reflect the nervousness of both police and the general public at the prospect that the bombers were still at large and capable of striking again.

The police also revealed that there had been a few cases of attacks on British Muslims in the wake of the bombings - including one in which an individual was "seriously injured."

The revelation came as some government officials expressed irritation that an article in a Sunday newspaper by Sir John Stevens, the former Metropolitan Police commissioner, might stir up racial tensions. He said the bombers were "almost certainly" British - with many more born and bred here willing to attack.

 http://news.ft.com/cms/s/8186face-f17a-11d9-9c3e-0 0000e2511c8.html

Report: Israel Was Warned Ahead of First Blast
 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=853 46

Note how they stick to the official line that this is an attack by terrorists, even as evidence continues to mount of an inside job, with the bus cameras conveniently not working, military explosives, the desperate spin why they are looking for "white" perpetrators, and of course the warning to Netanyahu.

London Terror Tip-off: Timeline Refutes Israeli Denial
 http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P2206

The 7/7 London Papers:

THE LONDON ATTACKS

The recent bombings in London have prompted me to create a database of information from various news sites. This page will be used for that collection at the present time. I do not believe these attacks were at all what the mainstream media and government officials want us to believe they were.
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/londonarchive.ht ml

George and Tony Get their al-Qaeda Fix
Monday, July 11, 2005
By Greg Palast

The cruel, evil jerks who blew up the London subway last week, despite appropriating al-Qaeda's name for their website and T-shirts, have about as much to do with al-Qaeda as a Beatles tribute band has to do with the Fab Four.
 http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=443&row=0

Aid to the Enemy

The fact is that the self-styled “conservatives” have wickedly aided and abetted terrorism and terrorists, both here and abroad…
 http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2005/07/aid-to- enemy.html

"Consider the increased amounts of 'chatter,” from the administration about 9-11 over the past 3 weeks (absent from most Government speeches until quite recently). It would be fascinating to do a key word analysis of the use of the word 9-11 in U.S. government speeches in the 3 weeks leading up to the London attack, as opposed to the previous 12 months."

Now, this is interesting!

The Bushling did, in fact, make a speach in which he frequently harped on 9/11, with a frequency unusual even for him.

As support for these monsters erodes, and their LIES are exposed, I fear what else they have up their sleeves. RIP the Walking Dead?

Bush renews linking Iraq war to 9/11
 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05193/536589.stm

He got caught in a lie and nothing happened to him. Emboldened, he will now go on to greater and greater lies, because he knows you will do nothing about it.

Ricin: The plot that never was by Severin Carrell and Raymond Whitacker
news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=63 0187

The police in Leeds used military explosives during their raids on the homes in question, the same military explosives used in the London bombings, thus contaminating the scene.

How the Government Staged the London Bombings in Ten Easy Steps

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet | July 13 2005

Ten Step Method To Staging a Terrorist Attack

1) Hire a Crisis Management firm to set up an exercise that parallels the terrorist attack you are going to carry out. Have them run the exercise at the precise locations and at the very same time as the attack. If at any stage of the attack your Arabs get caught, tell the police it was part of an exercise.

2) Hire four Arabs and tell them they're taking part in an important exercise to help defend London from terrorist attacks. Strap them with rucksacks filled with deadly explosives. Tell the Arabs the rucksacks are dummy explosives and wouldn't harm a fly.

3) Tell four Arabs to meet up at London Underground and disperse, each getting on a different train. Make sure Arabs meet in a location where you can get a good mug shot of them all on CCTV which you can later endlessly repeat to drooling masses on television.

4) While four Arabs are in London, plant explosives in their houses in Leeds. Plant some explosives in one of their cars in Luton for the police to later discover. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics on this one.

5) Before the bombings take place, make sure you warn any of your buddies who are scheduled to be anywhere near where the bombs go off. If this gets leaked to the press, just deny it.

6) 4th Arab goes out partying in London night before and ends up getting out of bed late. No worries, the 9/11 'hijackers' did the same thing but that didn't cause us a big problem. 4th Arab catches bus to see if other Arabs are waiting for him. 4th Arab starts hearing about explosions in the London Underground. 4th Arab comes to the realization that this he is being set up and freaks out. 4th Arab starts fiddling in his rucksack. 4th Arab sets bomb off and is blown up.

If you hired any additional Arabs and they also got wind of the set up, make sure tere are GPS locators in the rucksacks so you can have police snipers ready to kill them before they can blow the whistle.

7) After the bombs go off, put out a story for over an hour that the explosions are a simple electrical fault. This gives you cover time to make sure the lazy bus Arab is dead and any other hired Arabs who reneged are also dead. Make sure any CCTV footage that doesn't support your official story is either seized or destroyed.

8) A few hours after the bombings, have one of your boys post an 'Al-Qaeda statement' claiming responsibility. Don't worry about the whole 'misreferencing the Qu'ran' thing, these idiots don't have the attention spans to figure it out.

9) After you have made sure that all the Arabs are dead and you are managing the story accordingly, wait for four days until the police piece together the story and find the explosives you planted in Leeds and in the car in Luton. Remember that Qu'ran and flight manual in the hijackers' car? Ha ha, they fell for that one hook, line and sinker. No need to change tactics this time either. The time delay will convince the gullible public that a real investigation is taking place. Create a background of the hired Arabs being militant Muslims. The drooling masses, as was the case with the '9/11 hijackers,' will ignore stories of neighbours saying they were the quiet, educated types who liked children and playing sports.

BBC excerpt: One local resident described him as "a nice lad".

"He liked to play football, he liked to play cricket. I'm shocked."

Another resident said he was just a "normal kid" who played basketball and kicked a ball around.

10) Sit back and enjoy as Blair and his minions grandstand in front of television cameras about staying the course in the war on terror. The pay raise, extra agency funding, and power to strip more freedoms and liberties made the ten easy steps to staging a terrorist attack a worthwhile venture. The dozens of dead people were necessary collateral damage. This is a dirty war, we need to be less moral than the terrorists to defeat them.

And that's how the government staged the bombings in ten easy steps.

Granted, you can interchange different pieces of the puzzle. The bombers could be real terrorists that knew exactly what they were doing. All you would need to do is control the 'mastermind' behind the attack and make sure his boys carried out the job in the way you wanted. Voila.
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/1307 05teneasysteps.htm


The birth of the London bomb Official Story

You can practically hear the click at that moment in the life of every conspiracy when the police investigation turns into the Official Story. At that point, the investigation is intended to 'fix the facts' to the Official Story, and the cover-up begins. The story of the London bombs has made this transformation within the last twenty-four hours. The authorities thought it was small bombs with timers or triggered by cell phones and almost certainly not a suicide bomb attack; now they claim with certainty that the bombs were accompanied by handlers, some or all of whom may have died in the blasts, possibly by accident and probably intentionally (which means they were suicide bombers, as it is extremely unlikely that all four made a mistake). The original story was that it was an international al Qaeda operation; now it is British Muslims. In just a day or two, everything has changed.
 http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/07/birth-of-lond on-bomb-official-story.html

Suicide bomber 'had all to live for'
 http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news/s/165/1 65813_suicide_bomber_had_all_to_live_for.html

Bet this guy never thought that simply by taking Mass Transit that day, his memory would be so horribly destroyed.

More ands more the evidence indicates that the accused men are not the type to engage in acts of terror, especially acts in which they will knowingly die.

Suicide is an act of someone who thinks they have nothing to live for. That does not fit these individuals.

Yet even as the evidence stares them in the face the media will not wander from the mandated first assumption of guilt-without-proof. Even as Bliar refuses any probe into the attacks which deviates from this narrative, and bases its findings in an unbiased manner upon the evidence alone.

Meanwhile, I call your attention to the mention of Israeli security company ICTS further down. ICTS, it should be remembered, handled security at all the airports from which the 9-11 planes departed.

The London Explosions, the Rogue Network, Bush and Iran
 http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/98254 2.html

Commissioner of London Transport is ex CIA!
 http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/chief_officers.shtml

Bombing suspects' identities shock Leeds
 http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2 005/07/14/bombing_suspects_identities_shock_leeds/ ?page=2

There was an interesting rumor going around London just before the attacks, that someone was trying to hire Muslims to play terrorists for a terror drill, to try to sneak onto the trains and buses with fake bombs to test out the security.

We know the terror drill was real. We know they were running the drill at the exact same stations the bombings actually occurred.

We know that the accused bombers don't fit the profile of men ready to die for Allah. Indeed it is reported that some of them were not particularly religious.

And we are faced with the strange claim that these men, one of whom had a new family, carried bombs set on timers yet stood there waiting for the bombs to explode.

This makes sense ONLY if they thought they were carrying fake bombs as part of a terror drill. This also explains the nervousness of the man on the bus who had probably just heard of the real explosions and was starting to suspect that the fake bomb he was carrying might not be fake after all.

"Hey you, Muslim person. Wanna make a hundred pounds? You could use that kind of dough, with a new kid and all. We're running a terror drill, and all you gotta do is take this here harmless backpack with a fake bomb inside to work with you tomorrow, just to see if the subway guards catch you or not. Mum's the word, this is national security and all; you can't tell anyone!"

The 'Birmingham Six' and British False Flags.
 http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/birmingham6/

UK police confident of al-Qaeda link to bombs
 http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=2 4&art_id=qw1121418181371B226

What a strange story. Of course you can find a link if you try hard enough. What baffles is that the detectives don't say that they can find those responsible, according to the evidence, but that they will "find a link", as Bliar has refused any probe into the attacks which deviates from this narrative.

Yet more on the London bombs
 http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/07/yet-more-on-l ondon-bombs.html

CHANGING THE OFFICIAL STORY:
(Please see: "The 25 Tactics of Disinformation")

London bombs home-made from pharmacy ingredients
 http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1610072005

I'm sure the perpetrators hope that earlier reports about military explosives being used, as reported by initial investigators, will be pushed down the Memory Hole.

London, Bush and Mossad
 http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2005/07/ 15/london_bush_and_mossad.html

The sheer volume of Disinformation being churned out by the Israelis just damns them more than if they had said nothing.

I'm not "wild-eyed" at all, and the tale about Netanyahu Israel is attempting to push is contradicted by the timeline of events.

Methinks they protest too much!!


As with the alleged 9/11 "suicide hijackers" the families and friends of these young men are stunned and incredulous. There is nothing about these youths that fits with the "suicide bomber" profile. Security services could interpret the choice of innocents as clever planning by the masterminds who selected "ordinary young men...below the intelligence radar".

Much is made of the CCTV video tape of the four carrying large rucksacks before they were said to have boarded their respective trains. The tapes show them chatting and acting as though they were going on a hiking holiday. Was this just part of their ploy to move below the radar? Is it easy to appear nonchalant as you are about to blow yourselves and others to smithereens?

It is significant that this was a "suicide bombing" while the Madrid bombing was not (Even though the explosives in question were triggered by timing devices). Even so, the London Times reported that the alleged Madrid conspirators (who were all Government Informants) had met in a similar fashion before placing their bombs; after their bombs were placed they apparently got off the trains. Why? Why not a suicide mission? Or alternately, why couldn't these London lads place the charges and de-board?

The "suicide bomber" scenario works well to tell us who the bombers were. We all should know by now that only Muslims practice the suicide version of terrorism. To posit suicide in London obviates the need to investigate others. Remember the confusion in Madrid because Basque separatists were early suspects? If the bombers had blown themselves up on the trains no one would have suspected Basques; only Muslims commit suicide.

Why was Madrid handled differently? The simple answer is that the ubiquitous video cameras could not have picked up non-existent bombers, just like the video cameras at Logan, Newark and Dulles could not pick up non-existent hijackers.

The explosives in Madrid were not placed by passengers. The true perpetrators of these crimes learned from the Madrid experience and went back to their "suicide bomber" formula. This time they made sure to get "suicide bombers" (Arab victims) on camera, rucksacks and all. This alteration allows them to keep the advantage of the public preparation to identify only Muslims as suicide bombers. There will not be any uncomfortable questions about how explosives were placed or detonated.

The "Muslim suicide bomber" formula stops inquiry, stops thought, takes precedence in the public imagination over all objections. In the past four years the hundreds of inconsistencies and contrary pieces of evidence about 9/11 have not been able to remove the picture people have in their minds of Muslim hijackers flying planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

The video of these four young men in London with their rucksacks will serve to end the public's interest in the questions of how, who, and why. No doubt the fact that a complete lack of video evidence, damning the 911 Official Theory, was noted by the perpetrators of this False Flag Attack.

But the skeptic might ask some questions here. Why did these "suicide bombers" seem so ordinary, so nonchalant before these awful deeds? Could it be that they were recruited as "extras" in the disaster exercises, and that their only purpose was to be seen in the video, meeting, and carrying their heavy rucksacks? And wouldn't their subsequent disappearance verify that what they carried in their sacks were those explosives that blew the trains, the bus and themselves to kingdom come?

ICTS Europe is an Israeli security company based in the Netherlands, a subsidiary of which is Huntleigh. Huntleigh was the security contractor at Logan Airport on 9/11 that failed to provide us with CCTV evidence of hijackers. The London Underground is one of Fortress GB's clients and according to their press release they provide smart card technology (personal details and biometric information) for contractors that operate in Tube stations. It makes me wonder if Peter Power's Visor Consultants were identified by these smart cards and if the four young men from Leeds were ever issued such ID.

Various


Consider the "facts" so far:

16.07.2005 02:57



The four already knew each other,

they had travelled together that day, (two from Leeds, a friend from Leeds who had moved to Luton and one who had recently arrived in Aylesbury).

The four men caught the Thamesmead train from Luton to London, Kings Cross carrying rucksacks.

At King's Cross they split up,

20 minutes later three were dead,

the fourth, another hour later on a bus.

None left a suicide note at home.

No organisation has reliably claimed responsibility.

No video detailing their intentions has been produced.

One of them apparently owned a spanking new, red Mercedes, yet they rented a car that they left at Luton before proceeding on to London by train. Why?

The official story is now that no timers were used but an earlier story released by plod, alleged that timers were used. Not surprising really. Why would you need timers if you are a suicide bomber?

Therefore, we are now being asked to accept that regardless of where they were on their respective journeys, at precisely 8:50 am, they were to detonate their bombs by hand. Bearing in mind that cellphones don’t work on the underground network.

They appear to have posed for CCTV cameras at Kings Cross station at 8:30am only 20 minutes before three of the explosions (8:50am) and then managed to find their way to three different locations and detonate their bombs within seconds of each other (the bus bomb doesn’t appear to fit the precise nature of timing of the detonations).

What lead the police to finger the four young men on the CCTV footage? The fact that they all had backpacks?

One puzzling aspect of the events leading up to the bombings is the story that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned not to leave his hotel room (he was staying at the Great Western Hotel, adjacent to Liverpool Street Station) on the morning of the blasts.

All of this is fact, not conjecture but it doesn't take into account any more of the twists and turns on this story.


facts so far


Crazy Frog did it! Never trust a frog with no pants on an invisible moped!

16.07.2005 07:49

Blimey is it nutter o'clock already? Where do I start:

1. Please stop reposting that crap from prisonplanet. The guy doesn't know the difference between an Arab and a Pakistani. He probably thinks Afghanistan is in "Arabia"...

2. Blimey, I'm glad you loons aren't detectives, because all your doing is taking your hate figures and reverse engineering culpability. You can't be following any trail of evidence, because all you have access to is what the police are telling the press. So that amounts to a big fat fuck all. "The Financial Director of my Borough Council did it! That tit off Top Gear did it!"

3. The first rule of testing any theory: can I break? how easy is it to break? The phrase "cheap suit" comes to mind with all this pseudo-analysis:

a.) It has already been demonstrated elsewhere that VISOR smoking gun is actually a lower in improbabilty than being asserted. Would the guy make a point of blurting it out if they had been part of some conspiracy?

b.) The Israel story has no factual basis. You can spot of duff story a mile off (it'll have NO pertinent content). When were they told exactly? What were they told exactly? Who else was told?

c.) Blair's position has been in no way strengthened. Why do I say that? I do not see any people queuing up to pander to any new measures (and already published set of legislation is being brought forward for scrutiny). None of the parties have shifted towards Blair on ID cards. The press aren't trying to push them. Even Gordon Brown is hinting at scrapping them.

4. "The type to engage in acts of terror"... blimey for people so loathing of "corporate meedya" that rings suspiciously of Daily Mail. What is typical suicide bomber. Last I looked there was a surprising lack of the mythical poor, uneducated people being used by zealots. P.S. I note you don't mind citing the mainstream press when it suits you- make your mind up!

5. (and this yer last because my hangover needs some Earl Grey (tea for the bourgois non-revultionary!)) "Remember the confusion in Madrid because Basque separatists were early suspects?" Um, that may be because ETA (as they are called) have been bombing people for decades, thus making it a good first question. However it quickly became clear that MO was typical Al Qaeda and that their Prime Minister was a lying sack of shit. Does that mean the "corporate media" were stooges yet again lol?


"But the skeptic might ask some questions here" such as "you are babbling incoherently; did you take your lithium this morning?"

Whose for nice cuppa and a biscuit then?



mr magoo (yes that IS sarcasm... go look it up!)


"Just the facts!"

16.07.2005 07:55

"apparently" "They appear to have"

"earlier story released by plod, alleged that timers were used" please substantiate this.

"One puzzling aspect of the events leading up to the bombings is the story that Binyamin Netanyahu was warned not to leave his hotel room (he was staying at the Great Western Hotel, adjacent to Liverpool Street Station) on the morning of the blasts." has there been ANY corroboration of this (and please no more links to single-sourced rehashes)? If not, then its factual status is contestable.

"All of this is fact, not conjecture" except the bits where you start hypothesising...

mr magoo


Use the correct analogies

16.07.2005 22:26

>>consider the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" which provided the pretext for an official U.S. War in Vietnam

Have I not had this discussion with you somewhere else? At most, Tonkin was a non-event which LBJ seized upon to pursue political exigencies. This in no way excuses it, but *does* make it radically different from the situation you... in your febrile, half-crazed mind... are implying.

We have all been rattled by the London bombs. By cycling across a busy city, I run a reasonable risk of being turned to axle-grease. The important point is, it is my choice. The danger the bombs represent is one of unpredictability; taken out of our control. Some people might have their minds go white with terror. Others will grin and bear it. Then there are barking-mad individuals like yourself who block it out entirely and invent these daft fantasies.

Run along and play now. There is traffic outside.

Alec


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